BOYCOTT GOOGLE - Censoring Hippy.com!

Discussion in 'Protest' started by skip, Apr 16, 2006.

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  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Here's something interesting. This thread was started on 4/16. As of 4/19 our traffic on hipforums.com is suddenly up 30%!

    How did this happen? Well apparently, Google suddenly cut this site loose, as now instead of google returning less than 20,000 pages, google now returns 687,000 pages for hipforums.com!!! We've never had that kind of indexing from them before.

    See for yourself:
    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahipforums%2Ecom

    Coincidence? I think not. Google has been monitoring this thread, cause their name is in it, and of course the word "boycott". I knew it would get their attention! Thanks google! Now just free up hippy.com and hipmarket.com and hiptravelguide.com like you did to this site, and I'll sing your praises. ;)
     
  2. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Skip, can you give me a link on that copyright issue?
     
  3. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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  4. shockseventyfour

    shockseventyfour Member

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    skip, you'd make a good lawyer.
     
  5. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Is the boycott over already?:p
     
  6. napolean inrags95

    napolean inrags95 Member

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    yea the argument that since google is a "private corporation" they have the "inherent right" to do anything is bullshit. corporations only have rights because we let them. corporations are legal fictions that exist only because we allow them to. until this perception of corporations shifts, we are going to have to continue to go to them on our knees begging them to do what we want. its bullshit. fuck google and fuck its cencorship.
     
  7. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    I emailed them a while ago, and have yet to receive any kind of response...even the usual automated BS.
    This sort of thing...well, I suppose it's a sign of the times we're in. A scary sign.
     
  8. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Here's a search for the exact term "Welcome to Hippyland", which hippy.com has in it's title and description. Hippy.com comes up DEAD LAST, after 4 pages of sites which link to us. EXPLAIN THAT GOOGLE!!!

    http://66.102.9.104/search?q="welcome+to+hippyland"&hl=en&lr=&start=30&sa=N

    It's very interesting that hippy.com suddenly has more links under the homepage if you search for the word "hippyland" only. Looks like they're trying to make amends.

    Anyway, here's what I think they've done, which is both a penalty (which they denied doing) and censorship (by keeping us at the bottom of the search results).

    Google once recognized what ppl called "authority" sites. That is, if your site was full of content about a certain keyword, like hippy or hippie in our case, you would come up very high, if not top of the pack in a search on those keywords.

    So now it would seem google has reversed this process and denied us any showing for the words hippy or hippie in searches. So we are now a non-authority for those keywords, I suppose. So we are indeed being punished, despite google's claims to the contrary.

    Until this is remedied, I say:
    BOYCOTT GOOGLE!!!
     
  9. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    I think most people would click on the first few on page 1..go try it.

    http://66.102.9.104/search?hl=en&lr=&q=welcome+to+hippyland



    If you type ''hippy forums'' [adding or removing '' ''] we are top also..

    http://66.102.9.104/search?hl=en&lr=&q=hippy+forums
    http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=hippy+forums&meta=
    ... how exciting..

    well almost

    http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=%27%27hippy+forums%27%27+

    You have done a great job of 'jumping on the bandwagon' Skip...

    ''Google become evil'' oh very post modern i would presume ?.

    If you wished to find a forum especialy a hippy one ... typing in ''hippy forums'' produces 'us' top.. how is that censoring ?.

    Dreaming up the supposed comparative 'censoring' of google.co.uk/com and google.cn is tenuose Skip ... even for you.

    I have to admit it is inspired PR though..

    http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx?q=hippy&srch_type=0&first=11&FORM=PERE

    on msn HIPPY.COM is on page 2.. should we get a lttle upset with msn but not go for a all out boycott. ?.

    This just seems like sour grapes...should the world revolve around hippy.com ?.

    Why are SOME people taking all of this so seriously ?..
     
  10. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    He'll probably take it as me insulting him.. no true.
    I can appreciate his point to a degree, but he is making a mountain out of a mole hill... getting all hyperbolic over 'censoring' etc etc etc .. Sometimes i wonder if he is being completly serious.. but then i get a reply and find that he is.:eek:

    I would wonder about this.. but i would be peeved if i had a alternative website that was on page 6 ... People do seem to lose interest after the first few pages.. so i can see how a business would be effected.. that point i understand..

    Everything else is a bit OTT..

    Their are literaly thousands of other sites fighting to be FIRST.. being on the top of the majority seems quite a nice place to be.

    If everybody got a bit peeved because they were not at the top.. what would that lead to.. ?.. anarchy i tell you.

    I agree with the sentiment that Skip would make a good lawyer.. they rely on tenuous links to a degree.
     
  11. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    First of all, having all the incoming links appear BEFORE the site itself either indicates a HUGE FLAW in the Google filters, or an intentional relegation to the back of the bus. Nobody wants to have to do a search on google, then go to a third site to find a link to the site you're looking for in the first place. Sorta defeats the purpose of a search engine, which is to find the MOST RELEVANT links in the first place, not sites that link to other sites with that keyword. I know that's hard for you to understand Matthew, but try stretching your small brain a little further. Would you go to google to lookup up hippy.com when you already know the domain name? I think not. This is the same.

    Second links you make only yield the HIP FORUMS, NOT HIPPY.com.

    Guess you couldn't be bothered to READ THE first post with the BOLD FACE telling you we aren't concerned about hipforums.com, but ANOTHER SITE called hippy.com, but of course again with your limited brain capacity I wouldn't expect you to understand such a simple statement.

    I won't even bother responding to the rest of your B.S. You just want to argue. Last chance to stop acting like a troll.
     
  12. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Another point all of you are missing, is that we WERE coming up on all these searches, and NOW we don't. So I'm not complaining cause we've never been indexed properly. We were indexed perfectly just a few months ago. But all that changed OVERNIGHT. And our other sites too.

    And having your 10 year old, white hat, Internet portal with about 1000 unique pages of content that were viewed by 20 million people appearing DEAD LAST in most keyword searches (including specific, unique page titles), can only mean the site is being censored or there is a HUGE FLAW in Google.

    And you guys don't even acknowledge the fact that there are THOUSANDS of other websites also suffering Google's whims for other reasons, and MANY are suing Google right now.

    But no, I have no idea what I'm talking about according to these armchair critics who can't even READ the first post.

    IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, DON'T POST!
     
  13. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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  14. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    I wouldn't call this making a mountian out of a mole hill. This community has got to take a lot of effort to maintain (let alone create), and if you put as much effort into something and are as successful as Skip has been then you are going to be more than a little peeved when you see you're site has suddenly been taken out of search results. This on top of seeing recently that google is willing to censor it's content is going to irritate any hippy. Don't forget where you are, people - this is the Hipforums.

    This isn't about everyone fighting to be first, we know hippy.com should rank high in the "hippy" search results because it always used to and nothing regarding the site has changed that would affect that ranking. Suddenly now we've got people's myspace accounts ranking (way) higher on the search results for "hippy". There is an obvious problem here, not an imagined one.
     
  15. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Thanks, at least someone is smart enuf to see the implications. Hippy.com is just one site, which has been the ongoing target of campaigns to discredit, hack, even shutdown. Don't forget we were once accused of drug dealing by a gov't funded organization, in an effort to shut down the forums (apologies were later offered).

    So if the Chinese gov't can dictate to Google, why wouldn't the American gov't be able to do the same? Just cause google refused to release proprietary business info, doesn't mean that they won't cooperate in other matters, esp. ones that might come under ILLEGAL LAWS SECRETLY PASSED BY BUSH. Bush could order the reindexing of google if he chose, and keep it secret too. And given that he could do it, why would he not? He's done far worse.
     
  16. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    I want to reply to this thread but almost afraid to.... ah well...


    concerning....
    I wonder why people who respond to this thread or others throughout the site feel like Skip or the moderators are being condescending? We're expressing our opinion, sorry if it isn't EXACTLY yours.

    I read through this whole thread, and maybe it's just me, but I don't think that anyone wants to argue; one person's B.S. isn't much different then yours, Skip, with all due respect.

    We do acknowledge it. Most - if not all - of us read your thread in its entirety. It absolutely sucks that google is doing what they're doing, if in fact if it's censoring certain sites because of political views or what not.

    As far as I can tell, you're still in the works of dealing with Google, you don't know FOR SURE that this is what they're doing. Right now all you're doing is accusing Google of what you think is going on... I may have missed it, but I don't think anything's been proven just yet.
    done, and done.
     
  17. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    ;) ain't it tho? I've been noticing how a lot of the moderators have been censoring material within hipforums (yea, yea, I know, we're not really talking about hipforums in this thread, blah blah blah, I'm so ignorant) that really don't NEED to be censored, but then this is supposed to be some kind of a groovy hippy make-love-not-war free speech zone... PLUS on top of all that, we're also being called idiots for having our own opinion... it's a bit degrading, but I like the abuse.

    And yes, I've been boycotting google since I first read this thread.
     
  18. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    I wonder if what's been written falls under the moderator's consideration of BS and in tern the thread'll be closed?
     
  19. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Are you two done kissing eachother's butts yet?? There are private forums available if you need to get a room...[​IMG]

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  20. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    sure, but what fun would that be? [​IMG] eherm... um, this thread's getting a little off topic... BOYCOTT GOOGLE!
     
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