hi there

I think if the guy came on here to defend his reputation it is his right.
When people go around talking bullshit about their experiences and that is NOT how it went down that's pretty fucked up too.
It sounds like everyone is really in fear of finding out the truth on here.
Instead of coming back and saying hey Blinkin that's not how it went down your telling him he can't voice his part on here.
I'm really sorry but I can't stand by and see a guy who has been upright enough to voice his say on here pushed off and censored so yeah I'm sticking my ass in here now. Lisa-you wrote me that Blinkin fucked you over and took advantage of you and ripped you off for your cash. You told me you had not eaten and were sick and he was bullshit.
YET-you went to him and stayed with these people and ate with them too. You broke bread with them and lived with them.
What did you do for work on the bus?
How did you help out?
What did you bring to the party Lisa?
When you left did you tell him you were upset and all the shit your telling people? NO!
So your fucking dancing around the issue and making him look like a scum bag to other Hippies when in effect he's not and your now headed off to live off some other Hippies?
You know how Blinkin met me? By me contacting him since from what YOU said he fucked you over. So after chatting with him I find your a liar. I got in touch with him because I thought the guy fucked you over-when it's REALLY the other way around and now your trying to make him look bad on here.
You also lived in a Commune and that did not work out. You also lived off your Dad and said shit about him. But all I have seen in you is a chick who lives off kind hearted people and live online all day n night while your staying with them. Who pays the bills for that? You?
No of course not you don't work or help out when you live off others.
Tell us all Lisa what work you have done in the past say 3 years?
Have you worked? NO? So Who pays for your clothes? Internet? Medical?
Every time a person would ask you about work or school it's a long list of lame ass excuses and lies. It's all about why you can't do it. You did the same exact shit to Blinkin I bet when it came to you actually doing your part of the load is when you started being sick right? LOL Same old story you have to tell everyone why you can't do it.
Like a vampire you suck their shit and then fly off to yet another victim. So no I'm sorry even though we have been friends I'm sure as shit not letting you continue doing what your doing on here and also to any other poor people who are going to believe your little poor stories. If you want I will put your PMs up here that you sent me and your emails about him to prove what I'm saying is true. your email you sent me was so bad I was so concerned for your safety and was contacting our friends about it. NOW I find out that was all bullshit and you lived off them and then split. you did ZERO to add to a Tribe like family too. That's NOT what it's all about Lisa.
So stop the bull shit about Blinkin-cause you and me both know your full of shit.
As for the rest of you on here if your going to tell me I should have don this in PM's....I don't think so. This is a Forum and I'm also saying my part and if you find it upsetting go Fuck yourself.
I'm defending a guys reputation and if you have a fucking problem with that well that's then YOUR PROBLEM.
Lisa BEFORE you go out and preach your crap-TRY LIVING IT FIRST! You TOOK way MORE then YOU GAVE ALL THE WAY AROUND!
Later The Wiz and OTHER DREW!

 

oooh my.
well we worked at magic bus in toronto,
me and drew together and with also when
the others were on there.
drew and i build the bunks together,
paint the bus, got the bus ready to have more people on it.
so i did zero for this tribe?! errr...
after stories i heard, yeah i was concerned i'd never get the money back and
the money i gave would be gone forever.
i said to drew the day before i left (and many times before) that i was having problems with how things were going.
i wrote him a letter before we left.
told him i believed in highwaychild, but couldnt live with him.
that i started losing respect for him and didn't trust him anymore.
erica preston can confirm this.
I went to the hospital when i was in canada, i can make a copy of that bill and show you wich meds i got, i got back in holland, went to the doctors, am still on meds now, cuz i got some kinda infection.
last three years i worked in the commune in groenekan, utrecht.
i went away there cuz the rent was too high i didn't get kicked off.
you can look em up, shu'em amsterdam and CALL them if you want.
i worked at eurodusnie, an organisation that tries to get europe to be one.
i worked at several farms here in oude wetering.
i worked at a shop in utrecht called 'netjes'.
yes i lived at my dad's for long time, got myself better and started off again,
my study helped me get thru.
i was having a hard time, yeah i was online alot,
and lived off my dad's money for a while,
i did however made the choice to go away there after 3 months to live at my grandpa's place who was in surinam and i paid for everything there,
wanna call grandpa?
yep, there were many times there was not gonna be food if we didn't walk
for a total of 3 hours (call erica and ryan if you don't believe me!)
so yeah we walked, i didn't complain about it at all,
we need food? we get food!
i gave drew's wife 100 dollar, paid for taxi for us to go to the bus, paid about, what was it? 2 or 3 hundred for this insurance thing for the bus, and 100 to be on the bus, the plan was to stay at linz's longer.
I pay my own clothes, wanna know if that's true? contact hailtothekingbaby!
i live with him now, -bart- and if you wonder if i pay my own food, yes i do!
i'm on a crappy medical care with my mom, shared pay, wanna contact my mom?
pm me and i give you her emailadres.
blinkin here is just pissed i told his wife he fucked me.
i told him if the subject would not come up i wouldnt say anything but if she'd ask me if something happened between me and drew, that i'd tell the truth to her cuz i like her and dont want to lie to her.
I don't think I made drew look like a scumbag at all!
i told that i can't live with him, never said he's such an asshole no one can.
i mean c'mon he ain't evil...
yeah i was scared!!! i was on the other side of the ocean with no money, (yeah i couldve wired money from holland to canada, but it wouldve took a few days to get there) and i could stay at erica's moms place for 2 days...
i was freaking out and scared! and yeah i did feel like he took advantage of me.
i wasn't the only one to leave...4 people left,
jason didn't want anything to do with drew anymore too...
but anyway,
i went looking for another place to go now,
not to end up at one of my parent's places.
cuz i still want to travel and be busy with my art,
i thought about staying here, getting a job again,
but thought doing what i want and work for that is better.
didn't you tell me i should do that wiz?
i'm done with this, you all can believe whatever you want,
others can say whatever they want,
it won't change the truth.

 

ba ba ba ba ba ba boom.


drew,
wow,

she didn't even say your name, not once, you go round sniffin for this, worried why? it's internet my brother,,

before you came, this thread was a sweet sweet rose of what hip forums Young Hippies is all about,,

YOU DID drink on the bus, you did disrespect

lisa is one of the most amazing lady's around, flatt and simple.
you are , apparently, scum- you say no, but damn,, i mean damn drew,,
i dont know anything about what you've done, other then what was captured in the highwaychild thread, which alone is 'damn drew'.
now, lisa, all of a sudden has all your punk thrown on her, for what? FOR WHAT?

for,,,
crossing a sea to persue her dream with someone who she thought was going to be a warm, caring person,,
NOT prince charming, hellll no.
lisa used to talk to me about how she loves how you grunt,
she wanted as much security as one expects from someone who woo'd her over seas, to travel with..
things didn't stay sweet for long, but lisa - strong, wise BEYOND YOUR DAYS (drew- it's a wisdom of the heart*), and truly in Love, she sticks with the tribe, WORKING HER ASS OFF,
NOT expecting CRAP,
just, living her dream
but, hmmm, the same night everyone leaves, she leaves too--
that dont sound too outrageous,
hmm, everyone leaves!

now... i can't say shit (even though i know i am),,
but, drunken drew abandoned,, that doesn't happen from one night of drinking, and also, to have the entire rest of the tribe leave YOU too, doesn't point shit to lisa.
i see lisa as still being the sweetest loving mama i've ever known, just taking another step in her journey,, having god knows learned alot from you, but strong enough to leave you

now, if she wouldda stayed, who knows, who knows.. maybe that wouldda displayed her strength more,, but ,, wizdrew was talking about vampiring,, i truly think lisa was the nurturer and the goat in that relationship ,, i think it was smart of her, NOT drew, to leave and save her emotional body.
drew has funk in his
everyone does,
but drinking drew vs. bewildered, inLove Lisa,,, yeah~
drew can speak a VERY good jab,, he can win over a politian, wiz

lisa's not any bloodsucker, not at ALL...
cuz she left drew, cuz she chose to,
and because she thought drew would show her the country, and was going to be a sweetheart, then you, wiz, and you felt the blow (which god knows lisa LOVES you, still),,, i felt that blow too, but it's not to have expectations that lets me see the future in Peace,,
Wiz, you know lisa,, you know lisa-
you know she's a world of a women, you know things are complex,,
and, you know lisa,
she is a Star

your contact with drew,, he's a good guy, we've talked many many times, and as men, we're probably gunna travel together one day,, but as for his relationship with lisa, and who's dumping shit and rioting on who,, about who's BRINGING the NASTY to these forums, and, who truly hass- the reasons who, yatta yatta,, that's complex,,
but it's all lost in a dream,, i know lisa's learning lessons, and still Loving in Action.. lisa IS love in action,,
drew is dreams in motion, so is lisa,
we're people, and a funkle will happen,
and then you move on

i know it is drew bringing the nasty to these forums, instead of not having to defend himself, and keep on with his own special dignity and truth, whatever that is,,
lisa was asked a question, and lisa didn't say a name

i can keep on pingponging this jabberin for an hour and a half,, but man,, i just want peace
just want that peace
lord lord
where is that peace?

under that learnin tree*


i know some folks who know about peace,

lisa and the rest of the young hippies, before you came =\
it was takin place in THIS forum
THIS thread!!
twas the garden, i coulda swore,
youth, typin, dancin, lovin
no RAHRRAHRAH
just , ~~~~~~~
drew, you know i got love for you man, love love love, but MANN, take care of what you gotta take care of, it isn't defending yourself,, nor it is demolishing lisa with twisted tainted words

IT TWAS THE GARDENN!!
=)

 

well now,
all I have to say is read the first page of the highway child thread...THE RULLES!!!!

so why come so early then? we dont plan to leave for still another two weeks,
yes why not call erica, infact I will and get her to post on here ....

so you saying you felt sick? ...thought you were this big healer.

come on now,
I didnt want to start shit and I didnt, I lauighed at a post bad mouthing me...you chose to start shit.
I thought we spoke and all was well, then I start hearing the shit that you fly out the other side of your mouth...

down too it, which I keep saying, on the bus you didnt bother me at all, you didnt do anything so how can I be botherd....lisa, you passed me some nails...I appreciate it.
it wasnt till after you got off the bus which I saw your true colours,
you do what you need to to survive, its not like I dont understand surviveing,
I dont understand bad mouthing....

Im just fed up with folk who feel they are justified in trying to cause trouble in my life
tell me lisa ...did I cause you troube? I gave you a place to stay, you were not even invited till may ...

Ethan!
its respectable of you having your friends back,
Ill tell you when I first started talking with lisa I thought a lot of good things aswell.
didnt even feel bad things about her on the bus,
then she got off and started games....
I have nothing at all bad to say about you, your just reading and responding...


seriously, this is all way to foolish now, past the point of defending, past the point of wanting to pull the knife from my back and poke her with it....

its just foolish, and I dont think it should continue......mud throwing in either direction.....


truce?

peace
oh yeah so how much is the average pay for a student in holland? how much money do you have?
hmmmmm
lets end this now...its already ugly.

 

yeah, ending it is good, but i dont think that comment should be the end- being so onesided, you being in whatever we're talking about,, i know lisa wont mind me having the last words

first of all, all i gotta say about your spitting at lisa, saying she felt sick,
i once heard that “When you do things right people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”
you're not one to question her Love**
getting sick isn't a lateral, black and white, i'm sick,, you can be many kinds of sick, especially more emotional loving people, EMPATHETIC people...
you were talking about empathy earlier,, lisa is empathy,
lisa is only human.
with the right to leave the bus,
doesn't say anything about her,
doesn't say anything about you,,
i love lisa to death, i see very very clearly just the shallowest glimpses into her True Beauty,, she is the best. all that you've seen 'after she left the bus' was your own reflection in her Loving absense.,
loving absense.
as much as GOD KNOWS she was just looking after herself, doing what she thought was best for her journey, tail between her legs or even leaving knwoing she's doing the best thing, that's all she was doing.
and in her absense,
you


you keep saying you dont understand bad mouthing,, she didn't bad mouth once except for very very loosely and broadly and not saying your namely answer a question about her trip here,, then - THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED - you came in GUNS FLARIN,, garden children's fun pooped on,
hot steamy drewcrap
man, noone was bad mouthing, just story tellin, dont take offense, you shouldn't have initially, and you shouldn't have been bad mouthing either man.

and dont make a truce and take one last daggerstab at her for considering the possibilities she can do if she chooses to do, that's a vampire,, that's blood sucking, that's cutting someone down,,, lisa can do ANYTHING, and always
always always,
dont choke anyone,


i'm reading this book, Brothers and Keepers,
it's amazing

much love drew,
and LISA! =)
and tha wiz too~ =)

 

Students in Holland get I think not much more than a few (3-4) euros an hour. It's really not much.

I can confirm Lisa is paying for her own food and clothes here, and that she DID get back from America with an infection. As much as I'd like for her to stay a while longer, she's got her mind set on continuing the pursuit of her dreams, as soon (and self-financed) as possible.

Drew, you strike me as a childish person with big trouble getting over things that lie in the past and accepting not everyone may feel as comfortable with you as you do yourself. May the lower half of your body deform into a hideous mass of blood and flesh as you get fucked from behind by a horde of enraged rhinos.

Well I don't want to insult anybody so I'll leave it at that.

Peace!

Herr Bartje von Gayenstein II

 

Well just my two cents here, lisa you did not give me 100$(yes it was offered) I took 20 for gas from the airport and 20 at the grocery store. I did not recieve any other money from you. I have also spoken with everybody that was on the bus and feel pretty clear as to what went down(except for the money you gave drew, I know nothing about that except that he had none so I'm sure you did use your money to get the bus rollin). Drew had no negative feelings toward you when you left the bus(he did feel you were a little on the lazy side, but did take into consideration how sick you were). He was upset that you told me what happened, and sure then began to have some resentment toward you, but he still as far as I can see(read) he did not post anything negative about you until he started hearing things you were telling people online. Im sure everything was a letdown to you and not what you expected, I know how drew can be. Drew you need to just chill out a little and just let some things slide sometimes. Ethan I really hope to meet you one day I love your outlook on life you are a very beautiful person. Lisa you also know I have no hard feelings toward you and wish you the best.

 

well shucks , thanks =)

are you going with drew to nationals this year?
i'm gunna try to be there. i dont think i'm going to jump on highwaychild2 though, not this summer
me and jay are getting a van and hittin the road together, we got a handful of festivals in sight and, well, i'm workin on getting the van now,, we'll be out there =) i hope we meet up too =)

 

hey linz,
oooh okay, well sorry i said so,
thought i gave you the hundred, but yeah, you're right, i remember the
giving some a couple of times so i didn't give you the hundred at once.
anyway, that does mean the other money went to the bus, i don't care about that, as i said before i believe in the highwaychild, i just had to leave.
and yeah i couldn't work as hard as before cuz i was sick, never refused to do things though, and i apologized to the group several times for that.
i had no hard feelings or whatever against drew, till i recieved an email that scared the shit out of me, and made me really angry and sad because of the name-calling in it.
the day when i recieved the email, i knew i had to go away from erica's place soon so with the situation i was in + being sick
i freaked out and told ethan, wiz and jason that some stuff went down
asking if i could stay with them.
i admit i saw things worse that day than the actual situation was,
so the emails i send were probably more 'desperate' than
they should have been.
on the other side, how'd you feel/react if you were in a strange country with no place to go, no money and just recieved an aweful email telling all bad things you can imagine, about you?
next day he did apologise for that and asked me not to contact me no more,
so i respected that and let go.
i never went out and told people bad shit about drew or the highwaychild, always said it's me who can't live with him.
then this whole internet bullshit went down and i'm just thinking ???????! i thought we agreed on leaving eachother alone...
so, can we please go back to leaving eachother alone again drew?!


*lisa

 

moo cow i love this thread

 

what the hell does that mean??????
that just doesnt make any sence?

my mother always told us
"an excuse is a lie wrapped in truth"

I dont know what kinda empathetic sickness or whatever is going around but theres gotta be a shot for it

its good to have faith in people ethan, though the older I get the less faith I seem to have, many many let downs.....but good for you

yeah lindsay is coming with me this summer. she has a good way of keeping me inline....I get kinda floaty sometimes she keeps me grounded.


a pack of rino's ....ouch
though best f " off Ive ever gotten...props!!!

Lisa I am so down with forgetting about your existance.....

PEACE!!!!

 

i guess the quote refers to being the quiet peacekeeper, or nurturer or Lover,, you were talking healing, about empathy.. i heard the quote a while ago, and i guess it just stuck with me.. and it's DEFINITELY relevant in this thread, and this conversation.

the quote is useless in regards to building a pyramid, or bringing home a sandwich for someone,,, something everyone can see and shake hands on and congradulate eachother on,, i guess.
the quote was mainly in regards to you spitting at lisa and her Love,, implying just cuz you didn't see half of her Loving, and maybe her role was to loosen you up a bit- just cuz you didn't reckognize much, doesn't mean she isn't an Angel, cuz i think she truly is a blessing;; the kind of Blessing that the quote is relevant to, she's someone who would understand the quote too*

empathetic sickness,,,, when you're around someone who makes you sick to your stomach, is an example,,, it's a very real thing, how drained you feel after being around them for a while, a very real thing* and it doesn't say anything about the person sick, or the one who's apparently making the other unbalanced,, it takes 2 to tango, but emotions can make you sick. and the shot for it is getting the hell off the bus =P


and your mom always says an excuse is lies wrapped up as truth?
i think what you called an excuse, or at least in this case (and probably many others that you'd label as an excuse), was mearly my point of view. you're point of view was viceous, obviously subjective and your own opinion, but i felt it was wrong,,, i shared with you my point of view- the quote, and my feelings for lisa...
for you to call that an excuse, shows that you feel that your opinion is the only opinion that can be right -that someone CANT go against your personal view of things (in this case, you judging lisa, i'd say shallow view of things),,
you're entitled to your feelings,
i just cant stand to see you truly rampage with all the JUDGEMENTS you've been sharing with us, when they are so god damn cruel, wrong, and being spit out by a lost lost person.
live your dreams, we're right there with you,,
but i always feel you should treat people the way you want to be treated
the TRUTH AS I KNOW IT,
is, you guys were havin fun on the bus,
lisa never told me anything negative about the bus, once
until she got off, which even then, she didn't say onne bad thing!
just, 'we had to leave', (her choice)
that you drank (the truth)
and it wasnt where she felt even comfortable being anymore (her feelings)
...
she wasn't cruel, not one bit.. she didn't even TAP into judging you, putting wrong on you,,
and for what happened on the bus to be DISallowed to be shared with at least the HighwayChild 2 thread,, you shouldn't be trying to hide that- they have the right to know.
i know lisa DIDN"T say ANYTHING bad in there,, just her experience,
she could go round and badddmouth you, but she hasn't..
that was for you to do to her after you saw even her sharing any of the bad experience. the Truth... look at your signature my man.

you came in here badmouthing left and right,
mama said treat others like you wanna be treated,,
i'm sorry if my words are badmouthing, i still have love for you,
all i know is lisa didn't bad mouth you any more then she was entitled to,, and even there, it was soft soft soft, and just telling mere details of her trip...
she's been back here, just good ol' lisa,
in a thread entitled 'hi there',
her just gettin down with the young hippies
YOU gotta be the one to END THIS
lisa wasn't fanning any flames,
you gotta be the one to end this,
that's all i gotta say , unless you feel that anything i said was wrong
and still, drew, every word i say to you are words i see myself on,
but i feel i gotta be saying them, cuz this shouldn't be happening,
it's the love that brings us together that's important

 

yeah man your understanding is off,
I meant not your opinion as an excuse but the im sick thing
as for empathising to my supposed bad attitude...um well I can no more explain who I am here nor show you who I am its something you have too see and I am done trying to explain.

as for finally my drinking.....I drank way less than I have ever had, everybody else drank way more than me, I had to go to work and wasnt able to spend the night drinking with the others....but I guess that just another thing I cant tell you you would have to see.

if I had that bad of an effect than she should have left way before she did, not try to stay where she was not happy.
she did leave that was good,

my opinion is not the only one, but as it seems its the only one that has any merit....
sounds bad and egotistical...but when the shoe fits I may as well walk in it.

you have to remember ethan just as what you are doing right now by justifying lisa's action, you are doing what you do based on only an opinion,..ok maybe some emotion as well....still sadly its only partially informed based on paradigm and perspective....

Im not getting sucked back into this debate .......

remove some bias and then try to see whats happened here, or dont Im done trying to explain.


I keep saying Im done than keep posting.....Ive been called childish...guess I am always having to hjave the last word, or defend my last word or something whatever......

but either way im tired of continuing this even further.....I said my piece, made my peace
what more should I say...
nothing.........

 

i agree with you, through and through

it's only my opinion, and i dont know you at all* just from what i seen in these forums, i was just trying to save lisa from slandering which i felt she didn't deserve,

see ya in colorado =)

 

"my opinion is not the only one, but as it seems its the only one that has any merit...."

HOW IS THIS? Everyones opinion is their truth and there for has merit. Just because you disagree does not discredit others opinion its there opinion(how they experienced things)
My mama always told us there's at least 3 sides to every story, one for each person involved and then the truth, sometimes the real truth is never revealed because everyone sees things different. If 3 people were asked to draw the same tree the pictures would never be the same because everyone has a different perspective.

Ethan yes I will be at the gathering I look forward to meeting you then!

 

hahahah linz yoru arguing with my words by using my words......I love you mama!!!!!!!!!

your absolutely right, everyone has there own understanding, there own view of the "tree"

what I intended to mean.....but more so to myself, because at the time I was tired exaustably so of explaining my side...that to me My opinion was the only one with merit...at that time...

there was emotion and speculative opinons floating around, lies, deciteand vendetta's and I was tired of it, tired to the point of saying .."oh well believe what you will I said my piece and made my peace"


but Im loving your words sugar........have I told you yet how beautifull you look covered in paint?
hahahah well your beautifull covered in paint!!!


k so your yelling at me to come up stairs...so ..

peace all

 

yeah thatw as me ...forgot to sign in under my own name...oops

 

somebody summarise in 50 words or so

 

drama discussing drama, concluding drama....

5 words good?

 

Yes, yes it will