So What has LSD Revealed To You?

I'm not reading much in most of these posts, too general. I want specifics, give me specifics. It sounding like some of you are left with a vagueness about revelations but have forgotten what they were.

 

That's because you cant explain most of what your thoughts on a strong L trip. And Eminem sucks, I know plenty of underground shit that blows eminem away.

 

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off topic post:

like i said im not very into the hip hop culture or music. From what i have heard of his music, eminem has a very good way with tying his words together, making his words into an instrument. Hip hop afficiandos call this flow. The best flow i have ever heard has come from BIG though.

Hey if you dont mind, can u pm me some good underground hip hop that focuses on good lyrics.

 

No problem

 

Oh yea forgot to mention, LSD taught me that Sailor Moon is the greatest thing ever invented next to the band YES

 

thats kind of the case man. you can't try to get someone to explain it to you because those peak experiences are beyond words, and any attempt to define them just takes away. and once you return to baseline and the world of words and solidity, you are left with a sort of vagueness, because all you have is the memory. its not that you forgot the "revelation", like you'd forget a concept in math class. its more like you experienced this pure, free consciousness momentarily, and you have can't seem to get back to taht same point except by taking more L (or thru intense spiritual discipline, not my cup o'tea). once your back to waking consciousness, your old habits of thought and interaction return and as hard as you try, you can't change them right away - even having experienced a brief few hours away from them. this actually only frustrates the matter, and you try to take your experience and make sense of it, which is called integrating it, and slowly it will change how you see and treat this world.

i don't think you can get too specific with psychedelic revelations because their often more of a feeling than just a thought. to feel interconnected and limitless love between all sentient beings is far more powerful than an essay explaining it. and thats not taking into account tha fact that everyone's experience is completely unique. i guess i think that the only way you could know is by finding out urself.

its not that i've forgotten them, but i just still haven't found an explanation that can do them justice, and even a harder time finding a way to carry it everyday. people, including me, get caught up in the struggle of every-day, and often find it hard to always keep those values and lessons in mind and in action, specially when the rest of the world has their eyes closed.

LSD opened my eyes for the first time in a long time

 

Okay I'll get specific then. On my first trip I felt psyhcologically free, I didn't feel inferior nor superior, I felt far less inhibited and more assertive. I felt extremely confident and had no self doubts. Not having any attention on myself I became appreciative of the ordinary things and remember being fascinated simply by watching people walking and there different body motions. I felt so natural, just me and still wonder today how much was it the acid and how much was it my own will to get to that state. Heck that wasn't so hard to put into words, some of you can do better I'm sure.

 

lol, and what are you trying to specify with this? Sorry man but you're just blabbing about how you felt, there is no conclusion or revelation at all. To get specific about what lsd has revealed to you would not be "I felt myself I felt natural I was fascinated I I I I I yadda yadda."

 

I would imagine most neggs never had a real stong L trip.

 

I am scared of your imagination doo

 

yeah see your just describing generally what a good acid trip feels like. A revelation usually refers to a particular experience you have that is completely unique to your trip that helps to form your personal understanding of the world. so waht you said above is what i was saying, LSD has revealed countless things to me - the nature of life, the mind, seeing God in the ordinary, even social, political, economic revelations. but when the morning comes around, if i can remember those ideas at all, they've lost their meaning because they're jsut the wordy memories of something that the night before i had felt at the core of my being and the bottom of my heart. and then to try to bring back those feelings when your sober and trying to live a normal life is really frusterating.

 

I explained a state of nonconditioning a sense of basic self. That was what was revealed to me but that's not big enough for you as you thought it was nothing special but just a general good trip.
So what were these social, political, economic, revelations and tell me about the nature of life.

 

I remember last time I tripped I was with 2 guys who claimed to see all sorts of things in the sky. I looked at the sky and I saw... a sky. I wasn't trying to see what LSD would not show me. I didn't care to have "crazy visuals" or pretend I had them. I told them: "I don't see anything."

When I arrived home I looked in the mirror and my head morphed into various shapes. I couldn't get anything out of that: how could you possibly think in that state?

The afterglow, now that's where the insights kicked in. During the afterglow my head was clear and I felt a calmness that could only be matched by those who in the far east have reached Enlightenment. Because my mind was clear, I was able to analyze my life in a way I wasn't able to before. I felt a calmness I never felt before, and I felt enormous empathy for all living beings. If there is a Heaven, people in Heaven have the empathy and clarity of thought I had during my LSD afterglow. It gave me a glimpse of what super-humans will be genetically engineered to be centuries from now, psychically much more advanced and happier than we are.

I imagine if you get good enough with meditation (something I will be looking into in the future), you can reach this state or close to it.

That's what I meant when I said LSD allowed me to reach a new consciousness.

I believe LSD magnifies tendencies a person already has: if you are depressed, irritable or happy, LSD will intensify such feelings. The same applies to introspection: if you are naturally introspective, LSD may give you many insights on yourself if you are geared towards that. Likewise, those who lack an introspective personality may get nothing at all, and when asked what they learned through LSD use, will merely repeat what 1000 people already have said.

 

Nicely explained Anarchist. It's incredible that a couple of hundred micrograms plus your intent/will and decision/choice making during the trip can do all that Yet it could take years of work on yourself to get to a similar state and I believe only very few do.

 

the more I read what people have to say about what theyve learnt on lsd, the more ive come to think that people are just as deluded as they were in the first place, just from a different perspective.

no one knows teh truth, so no one should claim to have been shown teh truth or anything like that. its one thing to break down the barriers of your mind , its another to claim that information has been passed onto you from a drug or spirit.

also, feelings never equal truth. the whole point of feelings is that they distance us from the truth because we ignore what they are and concentrate on how they effect us. if you feel emotion, then you are a part of an illusion. these illusions may be wonderful and meaningful but they are far from the truth. the truth has no meaning but that which we give it.

im not saying youre all living lies i just think its very foolish to think that anything that comes from the drug is divine or true or valid. its just another point of view and its only value is as a tool to go forth and use this point of view to benefit your life, which of course many people seem to suggest.

just seems to me that a lot of people are very egotistical about their apparent egoloss. maybe thats because returning to soberness forces the lessons into some sort of egotistical confine, but whatever you know, ive not tried lsd yet so i cant comment on the experience, but one thing i can comment on is revelations and philosophies and theres huge inconsistencies amongst all this talk of enlightenment.

 

if you cant articulate a thought, then you have learned nothing. to feel interconnected and limitless love between all sentient beings is to IMAGINE this. thought words may not be the most efficient tools to communicate a lesson that is beyond convention, to not be able to communicate it at all invalidates it as something that was learnt. communicating it might be through actions even but at least then many examples could be given which could then implicitly portray something more to somewhat brain-yielding peers.

anything that comes from your imagination is going to be more powerful than anything in the external world because it is totally within, every aspect of it originated within and thus every aspect will permeate within.

but if you learn anything from drugs, shouldnt it be that feeling something can be triggered by mere mental states, and that the same stimuli can trigger a multitude of different feelings? thus it is the way the trigger causes feeling that is important. descovering this allows you to manipulate your own emotions and set them aside while you search for what IS, and not what SEEMS



for example the many people who claim to feel god and jesus presence in a totally sober state. well unless they know how this happens, and not just that it happens, it may as well be totally a figament of their imagination. and i dare say, it most probably is!

 

Enlightenment is to be free from desire, which fades quickly after your ego reassembles towards the end of an LSD trip... unless of course you can live in that state, which takes years of spiritual work. I wouldn't even want to be completely free from desire, how would I have good sex or want to go have fun with my friends? It'd be too dull for me. But that 8-12 hour glimpse is good to free you from *some* desires permanently if you just work at it.

I think a few here aren't properly articulating that they were a passive observer in a movie called life; they had no desire to do anything but be. This isn't a revelation. It is a feeling.

As anarchist said, the afterglow is usually when revelations can happen, because your ego is back, you can formulate thoughts and conclusions.

Political revelation? Please, the only revelation you will get about politics from LSD is that it is utterly unimportant; the science of power. Who wants to horde power, and understand how the power is horded? Those with large egos.

Economics? rofl, if you don't puke all over your loafers when you think about money on LSD, then eat a few more.

Now social revelations can get very in depth. Sociology is a broad topic. One of my favorites is to think about mass brainwashing. Subtle cues in commercials and ads on billboards and in stores etc., your mind will go off on all sorts of that shit if you think about it on LSD. Or think about the rat race, tooling away doing stupid shit 40 hours a week for your whole life so that those who horde the money can horde even more money.

 

And that's where the power of LSD lies: in reversing the social conditioning a person has gone through. Many report that they see the "evil" in money and social climbing, but it's merely their values changing because LSD gave them the power to reverse their social conditioning. LSD is able to do this because it clears the mind and allows new thoughts, which in turn reprogram the mind in a different direction. LSD throws away our old paradigms of thinking and allows us to construct new paradigms.

When I was writing about my experience at Langerado, I shouted: "That LSD is illegal is a crime against humanity!" Immediately I erased it, because it might seem as the ruminations of an intoxicated individual. I knew I was still to some degree intoxicated. The notion, while common-sensical -- that we should be able to put whatever we wish in our own bodies, especially something relatively harmless such as LSD, thus being allowed liberty and freedom -- is too much even for most people to accept. They are happy living their lives the way society tells them, the way they have been conditioned.

 

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