No need for being a vegetarian!

Dont get me wrong... I LOVE animals, and I dont agree with their torture or anything like that.. theres lots of people fighting for animal "rights".. but they dont have RIGHTS. Sure, they have a right to live.. but animals eat other animals, right? Lets not forget, WE are animals. We are a product of our enviroment and members of this earth just as they are, and if we eat them for our *survival* (although not killing them by the masses just for our gluttonous piggish lifestyle) then thats what needs to be done. Theres nothing wrong with eating meat in moderation...


PS: Im not at all trying to bash your choices, I have plenty of respect in what you all do and its your choice of living. I am just providing a good argument. Thanks =)

 

And an animal in the wild catches their own food. Their prey...(most) Humans don't. Most are domesticated cows, that are bred, and caged, and helplessly slaughtered.

I highly doubt you hunt all your meat.

Get back to reality and realize that most of the meat available in supermarkets, and fast food, and other restaurants IS factory farmed/mass produced

I don't know anyone, in my area who eats meat for survival, but rather selfishly the taste and they go to shit like McDonalds everyday.

Do you even realize how much meat places like that waste everyday? They aren't allowed to give the employees the left overs when closing, but they have to throw anything uneaten OUT instead.

And then, however many animals died just to be wasted.... how is that okay?!

You can think or believe whatever you want, but there is no reason for humans to eat animals.

In fact these days its almost dangerous. So much crap like E.Coli and what not, and with all the hormones they inject into animals, I can't see who would want to eat them.

Not to mention, we do not NEED animals for survival any longer with all of our newfound knowledge on what humans can eat instead of animals, and still be healthy, and warm, etc.

Between cotton and polyester and all that other crap you don't need wool, or leather, or whatever else.

Between soy, and other beans, and nuts, and seeds, there is NO NEED to kill animals FOR SURVIVAL.

Your argument is fucking weak, man.

 

SOME animals eat other animals. SOME species eat plants. rarely if ever will you find an omnivorious speicies other than humans. saying that "animals do it too so why can't we" is not a good arguement, in part because there are some animals that do not do it....ever. i am one of them


i mean who is to say what is natural behavior? people have been murdering and raping each other from the beginning of time so is that natural behavior? should i kill my fellow human and then say "well chimps have been known to murder their fellow chimps so why can't i?"

 

I agree Elle.

I believe humans are meant to be herbivores, but others will argue that.

I'd really rather not get into that aspect, however, but it's something to think about.

No offense, but I've noticed a lot of omnivores who debate with vegetarians about their cause, are inflexible to begin with, and probably don't care about anything we're saying anyway.

Then again, there are those, who genuinely are curious and want to know about it...But, if you really wanted to know, you could just ask us why we went veggie, rather than flat out saying there's no need to be vegetarian.

Whether you saw that offensive or not, I did. That's like belittling something that is very very important to me.

But *shrugs* whatever, different strokes for different folks. I'm not going to try to change you, as long as you don't try to change me.

 

Humans have no rights either,except those granted by other humans--usually those with the most effective weapons.Therefore, animals other than humans , have rights only according to how we as humans treat them.Which in most cases ,is pretty shabby treatment.

 

And I'd say vegetarianism is a good choice health-wise and conscience -wise too.

 

Yup, no point in aruguing..

 

Thats right, plus ONLY herbivores have molers and flat teeth, which we do. Our 4 "fangs" have been evolved from when man first discovered fire, then started hunting animals to cook and eat them. Without fire, meat would not be edible, we would get extremely sick and even develop certain diseases, or could possibly die. Don't you see, Homo erectus was a hunter, but began hunting from the power of sin and destruction. Im Homo sapien and choose not to eat the flesh other animals.

 

I'd say you're pretty pesimistic. No point in anything, eh?

 

killing and putting other animals thru *needless* pain and suffering is not what i would call "evolved" and much less would deem that intelligent behavior. it's what i would call cruel.

 

Who or what meant humans to be herbivores. Did it or they also mean for women to stay at home and care for their children? What else did they or it mean for humans.


Vegetarianism of this kind is very similar to religion. Arguing about it leads nowhere. It seems that you are aware of that futility.
Some omnivores argue against vegetarianism ("you should eat meat") on similar grounds. That position is even sillier.

 

No shit. Someone did their homework.

Every animal has a right to live, humans included.

If, in order to live, we MUST kill another animal, then it must be done.

But guess what. You and I, we don't need meat to live. It's not even good for us (the average vegan lives 15 years longer -- the average vegetarian lives 7 years longer).

Except we're NOT eating them for survival. NOBODY is eating them for survival.

You're attempting to justify "meat moderation" by calling it "survival," when that's just plain bullshit, an excuse to continue living immorally -- no offense.

Seconded.

Seriously -- I have defeated much better arguments, this is pathetic.

There are certain inherent rights that go along with sentience.

To be sentient is to say "there is a me, and I am here." This claim of life provides two certain inherent rights: The right to life, and the right to be free to enact one's choices so long as it does not infringe upon others rights.

It's as you said. We just happen to be smarter.

Time for us to step up as the human race, the dominant race, and act like a race that's WORTHY of life.

Exactly.

No other animal/species has as much blood stained on them as humans do. If we are so damn great, what do we have to show for it? We're fucking horrible, and we need to shape up.

Evolution. We, ourselves, as humans, evolved as opportunivores -- eating herbs by default, but then we realized we could kill animals with tools, and cook the meat. Thus, to increase chance of survival, we began to eat meat when we could find it, but we were still too dumb to think of the moral consequences.

Meat served its evolutionary purpose -- time to move on.

 

haha I was trying to go about this nicley, but you can just suck my cock buddy

 

That was mature

 

You people are rediculous. I can't believe how all you people who have amazing lifestyles meant for making the world a better place, can grangup and destroy anyone who tries to post his/her mind in this forum. It's like you are all just a bunch of savage animals ready to pounce of anything that is different.

The initial poster. The one who was all alone, expressing himself politely in your forum. The horrible, meat eating savage monster. Was more accepting and respectful than any of you.

Are you not ashamed? Performing for nothing that you stand for. Is part of you vegetarianism based on getting attention? A feeling of superiority? I hope not, otherwise it would appear that the "best" of us are still completely selfish.

Life is a learning process. If you shut out other people it wont happen. The learning that is. Don't see yourself as always right, or superior. Set an example, grow up, stop being the reason that I am stereotyped every time I say I am a veggie.

SOrry for the harsh words.... if this makes no sence whatsoever, I am blitzed and it makes sence to me. But see it from the flipside. Put yourself in the lonely meat-eatters shoes, human though he must be, and see what it feels like to be the "wow could it be? GOOD PERSON" who tries to make contact with the veggies and gets his head torn off.

love tom

 

. For a survival it is not necessary

 

I didn't even read through all of that, but I got the gist...
As I said in one of my previous posts, if he just wanted our opinions in response to his, he could have asked, instead of going about in this "No Need To Be A Vegetarian" way. That is belittling and demeaning to our cause...or that's how I see it anyway. That's like me going on a Christian forum and telling them that there's just no NEED for religion...I'm PRETTY SURE that would deeply offend many of the devout Christians on there.

Don't you think?

Maybe we did get fiesty, but he could have went about it a little better too, so I'm not sorry.

I didn't find his original post as an argument at all, but rather a heap of assumptions.

And more so, if he wanted a good argument or debate, he got what he asked for. I've seen people come on here with topics like these for the same purpose, but usually they will keep with the topic and fight what they believe til it's dead, rather than back down and say "Oh nevermind" or "Suck my cock"

Please.

 

<3
This, right here, is why I started talking to you outside of the hipforums. Pretty sure I dig your skill of debate.

that's your compliment for the day, my friend.

 

I agree, Mike. His arguement was flawed, but he was reasonably well-behaved. No need to slam him.
Oh well!
~

 

I understand its similar to religion in terms of opinions and beliefs pertaining to it....

But that's the same reason, I suppose, that it irritates me all to hell when someone feels this almost, nosy, need to question my beliefs and argue them. So okay, that's what I believe, but why does it matter to anyone else?

As long as I'm not going up to omnivores and debating with them about why they eat meat, they should leave us alone as well.... you know?

I keep my mouth shut, unless I am approached with the topic, or if vegans/vegetarians in general are the ones the debate is being directed at...I feel the need to defend my cause.

I don't see anything wrong with it. And if anyone does, well that sucks.