Truth ~ christianity's worst nightmare

Right....

Everyone sins...even Christians.


Only through the acceptance of Christ can one enter Heaven.

 

No mate ~ take a bow! It's all about having a laugh. I'm just a klutz who thinks that a string sequence is macrame. I really with that Trachtenberg was available when I was a kid.

 

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So then all these people you say aren't "true christians" could just be people that love jesus and want to get in some sins before they go to heaven and can't anymore.

 

True Christians do sin... but try not to. False Christians do not love Jesus because they worship Him only with their lips and not with their heart. God looks at your heart and sees if your heart sincerely loved him (ie True Christian).

 

So let's take the example of GW Bush. He's directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings. If he believes what he's doing is right, and actually is a christian, then he goes to heaven?

 

Much of this is doctrine and sects as a Calvinist isn't going to have the same views as say someone into Universalism.
but the only message should be love
follow the Spirit not just words

peace,
God bless

 

JDFU:

To clear up misunderstanding here, please provide a concise definition of True Christian, include as many details as you need to clarify.

Thanks

 

While I do believe that the Bible has been manipulated over the years, to say that the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament are absolute forgery is a falsehood. I do believe that there have been efforts to twist scripture to fulfill someone's political agenda, but to say that all the scriptures in question are false is a little extreme. I think that when one reads and studies the bible, they need to understand all of what was goiong on at the time scripture was written. This includes the study of the culture which prevailed at the time scripture was written and what the language at the time meant. The acts being preached against in those days would be considered horrific my modern standards. We as (relatively) civil human beings could not begin to understand such barbaric behavior.

This is true with the council of Nicea being a major factor in 'setting the stage' for this type of 'activity.' You could argue that the Gnostics also did their best to manipulate scripture as well

I'll refer you to my entry above. In addition to Constantine, Augustine also was a major manipulator in destroying the origional meassage of christianity.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm
http://www.americanunitarian.org/mianoarius.htm

This is correct. Unfortunately, virtually all faiths that claim to profess christianity have adopted the Roman catholic model to one extent or another, even those independent fundamentalist congregations.

 

Another way of asking the question, lets say you were the President, and you did nothing to stop this madman from aiding sucide bombers who were blowing themselves up, and killing countless Jews in Israel. Or perhaps you just let his sons continue feeding men into telephone crushing machines, or feed woman and children to wild starving dogs. Or maybe you just looked the other way while Sadom gassed 50,000 woman and children. Or maybe you could of stopped the slaughter of one million men during the Iraq, Iran war. This list could go on.
Yet, now you think God would be happy with you, because you allowed this evil man to continue in his evil, and God is mad at Bush, because he is giving Iraq a chance to be a peaceful nation, that is ruled by a free people.

The only thing necessary for evil to prosper, is that good men do nothing.

 

Do you honestly think that Jesus would promote fighting murder with murder? Didnt Jesus come throw out "an eye for an, tooth for tooth"?

 

The God of the Bible has commanded armies to destroy others when evil was present. And the Bible has never stated we are to allow extreme evil to continue. In the N.T., Romans 12:18 it states. (IF IT BE POSSIBLE) as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Yet, when you see the daily murders of both woman and children in Iraq, then the Bible gives us the authority to stop such evil. War is not something to be desired, yet sometimes doing nothing only present us with a greater Evil. In World War two, if are allies had moved on Hilter in the very beginning, the loss of life would of been in the thousands. Yet because are allies hesitated, and then tried to make deals with Hitler, the loss of life was then measured in the 10s of millions.

 

One thing necessary for foolishness to prosper: fools must believe their actions are wise.

 

there are so many things here that can be addressed so i'll hit a few christianities doctrines where twisted when the canons were being formed by the catholic church in their push for supreme power over the christian religion which they did succeed in to a degree, but eventually many seperated with the knowledge of what was done to the bible. I believe and read my bible but my spirituality is more important to me than putting on aires about my christian status or outword appearance of being a christian or any of the other nonsence. So yes, there has been man made deception in christianity, but christianity as a whole is not mean or wrong for an inidividual to follow if followed spritually with the heart.
All coruption comes from man where religion is concerned.
In the NT christ did come and remove violence from doctrine saying to love your enemy and turn the other cheek yes, eye for an eye was removed. and even in the old judging others is wronge in the bible.
one message in christianity that is not followed by many is the main and most important message and that is the greatest of all the gifts given by god and christ the greatest is love. saying that i am sadend to see christians continue to fight with people. just say it is my faith here are my facts as i believe them and leave it at that.
That is what i will do I will not say a bad word against someone of another religion or belief system I will not belittle. i will get on the forum and debate but only to as a respectful and loving person.
and who said Bush was a "real" christian. if he were he would know That vengence is mine sayeth the lord. no "man" or human has the right to vengence only the right to protect the meak against an enemy.
so love to everyone.

 

TRUTH has always been an enemy of religion.

 

The true enemy of religion is ignorance, whether it is of the members of the religion or the religions internal moral guidelines. Ignorance is like a cancer, eating at the credibility of those who wallow in it but do not admit it (because of it).

 

Ignorance is religion's BEST FRIEND.

 

then I will sit blissfully self assured in my ignorance and enjoy the benefits of hope and love that i personally derive from be spiritual and possessing faith. I don't mind if others disagree or are not spiritual or religious, every human has the right to freedom of religion it is a basic right and if those who do not believe call it ignorance or lies that is fine too. because in the end if they are not christians to them personally it is ignorance and lies. there is no reason for being unkind to other based on something such as religion. oh, yeah and I know that I say that a lot, but i really feel that way about acceptance and kindness. love.

 

Religion is a right, indeed. Guaranteed by the Constitution.

Doesn't change the fact that the majority of religious people are ignorant and even arrogantly so.

An odd combination indeed.

 

Maybe the are arrogantly ignorant! I mean look stupid people run the world!