Is Another Mass Murder of Arabs in the Offing?

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    10 Years Since Albright Declared Infanticide of Iraqi Children "Worth It"
    Is Another Mass Murder of Arabs in the Offing?
    Before: Iraq è (post#1)
    Now: Palestine è (post#2)
    By STANLEY HELLER

    ◦˚˚◦May 12 is the ten year anniversary of a public defense of genocide. On that date Bill Clinton's then UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked on "60 Minutes" how she could justify the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqi children from the sanctions. She was asked by journalist Leslie Stahl whether the cost was "worth it". She replied that it was "worth it" because Saddam Hussein was "coming clean" on weapons and had recognized Kuwait. She said her first responsibility was "to make sure United States forces not have to go and refight the Gulf War." *for the full text click here

    ◦˚˚◦The 500,000 figure was based on a letter that that researchers for the UN's Food and Agricultural Organization had sent to British medical journal, the Lancet, in December '95 estimating that 570,000 children had died up until that point as a result of the sanctions. The news of the letter made national nightly TV news and there waseven a substantial article in the New York Times. Those of us exposing the terrible toll of the sanctions were heartened. Now the facts were finally getting out. Something would be done. Yet the months ticked by and and the toll mounted. Then five months later came Stahl's interview with Albright.

    ◦˚˚◦Half a million children children had died and our UN Ambassador had not denied it! Her responses on why it was "worth it" exposed her and Clinton as brutal, heartless, callous! Surely now something would be done. But all that was done was the creation "Oil for Food" program. Iraq could sell oil and the proceeds would be put in a bank in New York. A chunk went to Kuwait for reparations. A chunk went to the Kurds in autonomous northern Iraq. A chunk went to the UN itself. Then Iraq could ask that its remaining money could be used for food and medicine and every other desperately needed item.

    ◦˚˚◦The result was that whatever moral upset there was among the powers that be was satisfied. How much it helped Iraqi people can only be debated. More supplies got in, but infrastructure had so badly deteriorated that the ghastly death rate never really decreased very much. And in acts of deliberate calculation (or sadism) the UN Sancitons committee would selectively allow in items in a way that made them useless, like allowing in insulin, but not refrigeration units, so the insulin went bad. By 1998 things were so bad that Denis Halliday, the UN administrator of the Oil for Food program resigned in protest and began calling the sanctions "genocide". He eventually claimed that the sanctions had caused over one million civilian deaths.

    ◦˚˚◦And all the time Clinton and Albright and the rest knew Saddam had nothing. Scott Ritter, the aggressive US marine, turned UN arms inspector had verified that the SCUD missiles aresenal had been destroyed or accounted for way back in '92. In the fall of '95 Rolf Ekeus the head of UN Special Commision on Iraqi weapons (UNSCOM) filed a report saying that all chemical, and nuclear production facilities had been dismantled. Clinton and Albright killed all those children not out of any real fear of Saddam, but for reasons of empire.

    ◦˚˚◦All this is as they say "ancient history" and by definition irrelevant. Albright has not only never been brought to the Hague, she has not had to face a single grieving Iraqi mother or father. In fact she is lionized wherever she goes. This consumate violator of the most serious precepts of international law was recently feted at the Yale Law School! Clinton is still a king-maker among the Democrats and his wife who sat by while all those children were sacrificed is front runner for the brass ring. There was a investigation into an "Oil for Food" scandal, but it wasn't into finding who was responsible for the children that were killed, but into money officials and businessmen were raking off.
    To be continued…
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    ◦˚˚◦As they say "No use crying over spilt milk", but I bring all this up because what may happen in Gaza. The Olmert government of Israel with the collaboration of the Bush regime is taking unprecedented measures of "pressure" on the Palestinians. $55 million a month in Palestinian tax money is being withheld from the Palestinian by the Israeli government as "pressure". The main crossing into the strip, the Karni Crossing, has been shut down half the time since January 1st. At times the bakeries of Gaza have to shut down because there is no flour.

    ◦˚˚◦Europe and the US are doing their part, suspending aid programs to the Palestine Authority. Pressure. Pressure. Dov Weinglass a key adviser to Olmert made a joke about it, "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger" [​IMG]

    ◦˚˚◦Maybe they are not dieing of hunger yet, but they are dieing. Four died at Shifa Hospital last month when the facility cut their dialysis treatments by a third because it doesn't have enough supplies. Chemotherapy treatments are being suspended and results are predictable. It's getting so bad that even the New York Times reported about it. On May 8 a front page article was devoted to the shortages.

    ◦˚˚◦As Ali Abunimah put it on ElectronicIntifada.net on May 10, "Suppose I were to leave my office here in Chicago and walk the short distance to the kidney dialysis unit down the road and pull out the tubes to which four elderly patients were attached, making them seriously ill or killing them. Suppose I said I did this because I disagreed with the Bush Administration's invasion and occupation of Iraq, its use of torture, and its countless other profoundly undemocractic and illegal policies. What would that make me? A murderer for sure, a monster and a new vicious kind of terrorist. Such an action would be unconscionable in any moral system. And yet this is what the so-called "international community," a few powerful governments, feel entitled to do to Palestinians because those governments disagree with the policies of the elected Hamas authority."

    ◦˚˚◦There has been polite criticism of the strangling of Gaza so the Adminstration comes up with new PR. Secreatry of State Rice has said "we'll be talking about a plan to provide substantial, new in-kind, rapid intervention into the health care situation so that Palestinians can have health care." So big of her. They'll airlift in a case of band-aids. "Oil for Food" writ small.

    ◦˚˚◦How bad can it get? This country sanctioned to death a million Arabs and not one of the guilty paid a price. So if it serves their interests the lords of the empire will do it again.

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    Stanley Heller[size=-1] is chairperson the Middle East Crisis Committee and can be reached at mail@TheStruggle.org. The full transcript of Madeleine's incriminating remarks to Leslie Stahl can be found in the articles section of www.TheStruggle.org[/size]
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    Anybody heard how things are going in Darfur lately?
     
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    Palestinians Using Primitive Means to Survive
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    Caption: Palestinian women bake bread in makeshift clay oven. (Reuters)
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    KUFR EIN, West Bank, May 13, 2006 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Resolved to survive deplorable human conditions and severe financial crunch, Palestinians are resorting to primitive means to make ends meet in view of the aid freeze by the West since the new Hamas-led government came to power. Suffering a severe food and fuel shortage, many Palestinians have sought to produce basic staples like bread and use wood as a source of energy, Reuters reported Friday, May 13. "I have to use this primitive method to save money and feed my children," said Hind Ahmad, a Palestinian school principal. At her home in the village of Kufr Ein, near Ramallah, the 52-year-old woman is using wood to cook and bake bread in a makeshift clay over to feed her children.
    She said she was relying on rice she had bought before and vegetables planted in her back yard.
    Hind is one of 165,000 Palestinian employee who have been unpaid for two months after the United States and the European Union suspended direct aid to the new Palestinian government. Israel has further stopped transferring customs duties worth around $50 million a month and previously collected for the Palestinian Authority. The United Nations has warned that the Palestinians are on the verge of a humanitarian crisis due to severe shortage of food and medicine.

    Many Palestinians have further given up public transport to save some money. Hind's male colleagues started using donkeys to get to school. In hard times, Um Mohammad, another teacher in Kufr Ein and a mother of eight two of whom are university students, is acting with a sense of responsibility. "I never cooked on wood and I am allergic to smoke but I have to save money in every way possible, no matter how primitive it is. This is my responsibility," she said. Um Mohammed said she was also thinking of selling her jewellery, although so far her parents and brothers were helping her make do with daily living expenses. "I only want to see the kids graduate. Nothing more. In the village, we can live on land," she said. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have sought to sell their gold coins and bracelets, which are traditionally a person's last source of wealth in the Arab world, next to land, to try to get together enough money to buy food. Many fund-raising campaigns have been launched in many Arab and Muslim countries for the Palestinians.
    The Arab Doctors Union launched on May 5, in Cairo an ambitious campaign throughout the Arab world to raise one billion euros for the Palestinians. Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa told Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday, May 12, the League would not be able to transfer funds directly to the Palestinians. Several banks have refused to transfer millions of dollars donated by Arabs and Muslims or some governments to the Palestinian Authority fearing American sanctions. The Arab Bank, which holds some 30,000 accounts of PA workers, refrained from accepting such transfer after the US threatened to deem this as assistance to Hamas. A report by Israel's Haaretz daily on May 4 said that several initiatives by donor states to get money directly to the Palestinians are being thwarted by the US.
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    (AFP)
    13 May 2006 ​
    The Palestinian Authority is in severe financial crisis after the European Union and United States halted direct aid to its Hamas-led government. Israel has suspended the payment of customs duties levied on goods that pass through its borders en route to the Gaza Strip or West Bank since the Islamist group won a massive victory in a Palestinian election last January. Palestinian health minister Bassem Naim warned of a “humanitarian and health disaster” if crossings are not opened to allow humanitarian and medical assistance into the Palestinian territories. “We call on the international community to exert pressure on Israel to open the crossings,” he said, adding the Palestinian health ministry was “urgently” in need of 4.3 million dollars in funds to provide a health service.
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    Do you think that electing a party which has stated its goal of destroying Israel was a good choice?

    Try to answer in one color and one font if possible.
     
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    Whatever happened to "2 wrongs don't make a right"?

    You can't justify group A's atrocities by just pointing out the atrocities of group B.

    In the end group A must is responsible for the actions they take.

    That applies to the U.N., Isreal, and the U.S. just as much (if not more when you their consider their larger power and influence) as it does with Hamas.
     
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    Sanctions are a bitch. On one hand they disproportionately affect the poor, but on the other hand so does war. War, unfortunately, is usually the only other alternative.

    Sanctions are effective too, somewhat. They do marginalize any economic/global power the government in question has, and can have their arms twisted time to time.

    Corruption is endemic in any organization too, and the un is no different.



    Now, as for the Palestinians... We're trying to work out a way so that aid goes to the impoverished Palestinians, but not the hamas led government, who are douche bags btw.
     
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    Eugene
    in other words, affect the innocent people.
    There are solutions, they can at least send them food only!!!!!! or let the other countries to do so, it is stupid to punish all of them!! The evil is always evil and looking for stupid excuses.

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    I think it is odd that, for example, the EU rushed to implement sanctions against Austria's Haidar, who was a right wing wacko but hadn't done anything or even threatened to do anything. But somehow Israel is supposed to hand over money to a regime which has explicitly stated its intention to destroy it. Why? Because it would be rude not to? Because with shipments of explosives still being intercepted on their way to Gaza, we can see that Hamas can't spare a dime for food?


    Why do you think Cat won't answer? This is a propaganda war against Israel and the US. There is no room for debate here, just psychedelic font schemes and HipForums longest, most ridiculous sig.

    If Germany elected Hitler II, would it be wrong of us to oppose their democratic choice?
     
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    1 new reply from the 'ignore' list
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    Dear moron,

    If you still have to write a reply, you're not saving time.

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    I wonder how the real Cat Stevens(or whatever his new name is) feels about some goofball using his name and image on a forum?
     
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    Medical group paints grim picture of West Bank, Gaza​
    By Agence France Presse (AFP) ​
    Thursday, May 18, 2006​
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    JERUSALEM: The head of the Palestinian Medical Association warned on Wednesday that the health system in the Gaza Strip and West Bank would probably collapse as a result of international sanctions. "Is the Palestinian health system going to collapse? Probably, yes," Dr Yihye Shawar told a Jerusalem news conference. ​
    Shawar warned that half of all medical equipment will have run out within the month if the sanctions are not lifted. ​
    "In two or three weeks 50 percent of the medical items will not be available," he said alongside representatives of the Israeli group Physicians for Human Rights-Israel.A doctor from the Israeli group also sounded the alarm bell, listing serious shortages of medicine and equipment, and warning that lack of funds was hindering the transfer of patients for medical care outside the Occupied Territories.​
    "The situation in the hospitals of Gaza and the West Bank is alarming ... It's the most severe crisis, the most critical situation as far as the health sector is concerned," Professor Zvi Bentwich said, adding: "We call on the Israeli government to take its responsibilities and transfer amounts of drugs and money." "We are here to urge the European Union, the U.S. and the silent Arab world to put an end to this mass punishment which is a shame," said Shawar. - AFP



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    YES! Didn’t you read my whole post? I said that sanctions are a bitch on the poor, but war is even more so. Given the two alternatives I’d prefer sanctions.
    Now, the oil for food program was massively corrupt, but they were "sending them food only", so I guess that's OK with you...
    As for the Israelis, (ever notice that EVERY conversation between a Muslim and non Muslim eventually involves Israel), I Don't support any theocracy, whether it's Jewish Christian Muslim or Sikh, but Israel isn't going away, so you guys are going to have to learn to co-operate and live together. After all they WERE there first (learn ya history, it don't start with the Balfour declaration), and they do have the bomb (something else I think is fucked up about our Middle East policy), and they military has spanked any attempt at removing them.
    I t'ink they're there for the long haul.
    A hamas led government isn't what the Palestinians need right now, instead of trying to find some middle ground they're going to go to their saber rattling and hate speech, emotions are high enough.
    Sadly I can see only violence in the future for the region.
     
  17. LickHERish

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    Think you had better learn some history Eugene. The state of Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judeah. Neither do the Eastern European Jews (Ashkenazis) have any remote linguistic, cultural or genetic lineage to ancient Hebrews (who were a true semitic people with a true semitic language).

    The European colonialist era ideology of Zionism, originating with Herzl and furthered by conniving and cynical powerhungry hatemongers like Chaim Weizmann uses and abuses Judaism (the religion) as a thin smokescreen of justification to gain sympathy and support from gullible and non-historically critical apocolyptic dupes with Fundamentalist Christian circles along with the more politically grasping cohorts it has achieved through decades of organised manipulation and propaganda.

    FYI, Ashkenazis originate from Khazaria and are of Turko-Slavic descent and language. Their migrations into Russia and Eastern/Central Europe led to the evolution of Yiddish as the predominant shared language.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the State of Israel which commenced in 1947 (with at least two to three decades of backroom delaings with WWI era powers) did stem from the British Mandate sell of the indigenous and rightful Arab Muslim/Arab Jewish inhabitants and the vows made to them for support
    in realising their own state (Palestine) in exchange for their aid against the Ottomans. Balfour openly acknowledge the intentional betrayal embodied in his Declaration to Zionist leaders when in 1919 he wrote:

    Which is to say "We fully intend to back a colonialist invasion and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population in order to establish a permanent collusionist state we Western powers presume we can manipulate to our own ends in the region".

    This was the inception of the conflict that has lasted to this day with the true victims consistently villified and blamed rather than the originating Zionist aggressors and their Western beneficiaries. Colonialism at its most transparent right up to the 21st century.

    This is why many anti-Zionists, like myself, contend that the only true solution for a just settlement of the conflict would be the complete disavowal of the Zionist ruling ideology and its exclusionist, exceptionalist state model of preference for one group (Jews - and most particularly Ashkenazi strain) over all others. This must be followed with a full acknowledgement by the Israeli state of all the atrocities it has perpetrated against the rightful people of the land for more than half a century (without atonement and contrition there can be no true reconciliation) and dedication to a one state solution under the principles of true pluralistic secular democracy.

    Those hardline Zionists who refuse to accept it could gladly head back to their own countries of birth and citizenship from whence they had no business emigrating to steal other people's land in the first place.

    Such a solution would restore the land to the peaceful cohabitation enjoyed by Muslims and their minority Jewish counterparts that existed prior to the start of Zionist colonialist influx just after WWI and its subsequent aggressions.
     
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    Eugene
    Hi there, yeah, I did read your whole post =), I wanted to add ''innocent''
    Does US leave other chances? There is pressure on the Banks , who will send them money, and How? Food is better than nothing, they are hungry.
    yeah, we (humanbeings)can do so, live together, if we really want to, why not.
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    Thanks cat, but ive got my own extensive list of relevant bookmarked sites and printed reading material from which Ive studied the roots of this conflict and propaganda surrounding it for many years.
     
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