America Slapped in the Face, Again....

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America Slapped in the Face, Again....

In case you are like most Americans and don't follow world events, or have been living under a rock since yesterday: On Tuesday, the Department of Justice (or so it is named) released a new video of what they claimed to be 'Flight 77', a Boeing 757, slamming into the Pentagon. The release of the grainy, extremely low-quality tape, which consists of only a mere handful of measly, blurry frames was prompted by a Freedom of Information Act request on behalf of government watchdogs 'Judicial Watch'.

The video is reported to show (according to the media lapdogs) the tip of "Flight 77" when slowed down and viewed frame by frame. In one of the frames you can indeed see a tip. Of what, I don't exactly know. Trailing the mysterious "tip" is a blur, not much different from the blur seen in the first set of five frames released to the media in 2002. Like the first set of frames, the new ones raise more questions than answer. We don't see 'Flight 77', much less anything that remotely resembles a Boeing 757.

This only adds to the "conspiracy" of government involvement in the September 11th attacks. If people aren't concerned, or at the very least stopping to actually look at and objectively examine what is so blatantly in their faces, they had better wake up, and soon, to what is happening to this country and the rest of the world.

We all know that the Pentagon is one of the most surveilled builidngs IN THE WORLD!!! Do they really think we are dumb enough to believe that the handful of dirt-quality frames we have been shown is the best footage they've got? Apparently they do. And we are. Dumb, that is.

What about the security tapes confiscated from the nearby gas station, in which the side of the Pentagon that was struck by whatever it is that struck it was clearly visible to the gas station's surveillance camera? Same with a nearby Sheraton hotel. And what about the cameras lining the nearby expressway, which also had a clear shot of the impact zone?

We know these tapes were confiscated within MINUTES of the attack by the FBI, as reported by both the gas station attendent of the neighboring gas station, and employees of the neighboring Sheraton hotel. The tapes were ordered to be handed over and the eyewitnesses were told to keep their mouths shut.

So the question is: WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?

If they have nothing to hide, then why haven't we seen the footage of the plane hitting the building yet after almost five years?

If this country is so brainwashed and so dumb that the majority of its people can only react emotionally to the accusation that their government might actually be involved in terrorism against its own citizens (as if it hasn't for at least the past 65 years), then we are in deep trouble.

It's a sad reality that those who ask questions are berated and scorned by their peers, while those who "tow the line," as the old masonic saying goes, are held in high regard, despite the inability to think for themselves.

There are a handful of EXCELLENT documentary videos out there that blow apart the official government explanation for what happened that horrific, infamous day in 2001. One of the best is the documentary 'Loose Change' (2nd Edition), which can viewed for free in its entirety online (click on the link). I challenge everyone who believes the official government fairy tale to watch this incredibly well-produced, thoroughly documented, hour and twenty minute video. If they are still not convinced that not only was the government simply involved in the attacks; they orchestrated the attacks and carried them out themselves; they need to pull their heads from out of the sand and face the facts before it's too late.

For those that feel they don't have the time to take a few minutes out of their nightly garbage-television fix, here is a much shorter flash video that highlights the discrepancies in the story regarding what happened to the Pentagon on 9/11.





--MDJ (5/17/06)

 

I saw that today. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can conclude that what is shown on film is indeed an airplane crashing into the pentagon.

I'm not saying a plane did or didn't crash into the Pentagon. What I do know is that the Pentagon must be under more survelience than just about anywhere in the world.

Where's the film from the local hotel? When will that come out?

 

indeed, the film showed absolutely nothing at all, even frame by frame

 

What was released wasn't much different than the 5 video frames that were smuggled out in 2002. They should release the hotel and gas station video. There was also some video from freeway cameras in the area, not to mention God knows how many other cameras at the Pentagon.

There is supposed to be more video released but no one is sure from what vantage point.

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On one frame the aircraft is seen on the far right. It is essentially on the ground.

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the witnesses in this case should count themselves lucky, crucial witnesses to kennedy's assasination were killed, see... america as a society is moving ahead.

 

I guess we're supposed to believe that if a 757 was clearly visible in the video, the 9/11 conspiracy movement would finally shut down its websites and get a life?

I doubt it. People don't believe 757s hit the WTC, and we have video of that.

 

Wow, that's a real improvement.

 

I don't believe for one second that 757s hit the WTC. I might believe 767s, though. They were widebodies.

 

PB importing the same denial-ridden drivel (no, that is NOT a video of a 757 impacting the Pentagon, for the umpteenth time) into this thread.

The tragically evasive will continue to defend the legitimacy of claims made by our ruling cabal no matter how often they are caught in their lies. Judgement of trustworthy information sources is clearly not a PB strong point.

Interesting to see shaggie singing a different tune all of a sudden, however. Acknowledgement of plausibility, shag, or just a schizophrenic episode?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&q=loose+change

 

I am sure most us of have read, or at least heard of, the Popular Mechanics "debunking" piece. The chief editor of the piece was none other than Ben Chertoff, the cousin of Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff. But then, who would expect any truth to come out of an establishment, Hearst-owned publication such as Popular Mechanics in the first place? As it is, the article attempted to refute only the weakest evidence of government involvement, while ignoring whatever solid evidence they couldn't attempt to refute. The entire article was based around the straw-man principle, and the so-called "experts" who did the "research" for the article are only experts at putting out government propaganda.

Let's not forget the scholarly people who have researched the 9/11 attacks for years, such as former German Defense Minister Andreas von Bulow, Brigham Young professor Steven Jones, professor Jim Fetzer, and retired USAF Col. Robert Bowman. All of these people have put forward irrefutable evidence proving that the official 9/11 story is an utter hoax.

 

Chertoff of PM isn't related to the homeland security director, according to what he has said. That was another myth seen on prisonplanet. It's possible he's a very distant relative, but then again Kerry and Bush are distant cousins also.

Jones had a respectable career in physics but he has gone off the deep end on this 911 thing with his theories about thermate. No one else in the engineering community has joined him on that claim. He doesn't have a background in materials science and he immediately purported that the hot sulphidation of the WTC steel was due to thermate smuggled in by the government while ignoring the vast amounts of sulfur-bearing materials in the WTC and aircraft, such as gypsum board (calcium sulfate), sulfur-bearing diesel fuel that was in WTC7, synthetic rubber, and other materials. It's a wild claim and doesn't match any of the microstructural observations made on the steel samples that went through hot sulphidation.

Some conspiracy claims really are irrefutable, meaning that they are so far on the fringe that they can't be falsified.

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Oh yes shaggie, and the possibility that he has lied to maintain the appearance of journalistic independence has never entered your mind, eh? Outstanding!

Nevermind the fact that Ben Chertoff's mother confirmed that they were cousins some while back when called by a researcher to confirm any family relation. The following comparative photos of Michael Chertoff and Larry Chertoff (Ben Chertoff's Father) display a rather striking family resemblence to say the least!



(Larry Chertoff: Left, Michael Chertoff: Right)

Although funny to see how the official claims junkies tout "eyewitness" testimony to advance their bandwagon foreign boogeymen conspiracy theory when it seems to support their unquestioned acceptance of the populist paradigm myth, but then ignore equally widespread firsthand testimonies when controlled detonation of the WTC towers is involved. Nevermind that these unimportant and obviously incorrect witnesses were placed under gag order against further public interviews. Nothing to hide there, of course not.

Also nevermind that even the President of Controlled Demolitions Inc was on record as remarking to the nature of the wholly symmetrical free fall collapses as that evinced by controlled demolition. Also recall that immediately after the collapses Van Romero, former director of Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, also was on record as noting his view of the necessity for controlled demolition to account for the total symmetrical collapses (before inexplicably retracting his earlier statement and refusing all further interviews some while later). Yet again, nevermind that for the first time in all of steel structure history, and with acknowledgement even from the personal agenda-laden official "experts" to which shaggie and co slavishly pander, three buildings in one day suffered total collapses into their own footprint from allegedly raging fires, not significant assymetrical damage from upper story impacts.

No, yet again the reliance upon federal funding by most engineering institutes as well as the government contracts comprising the mainstay of many US engineering firms - from whence these "experts" have been sourced - could not possibly cause the mentally slothful to consider any self preservatory motivation for endorsing the official line as a critical element in their legitimacy.

Instead we again get the Rovian scripted talking point of "it can't be refuted, it's conspiracy theory" as if what they believe isnt the most laughably illogical and physically implausible conspiracy theory of them all. The Magic Tower theory!

 

No one has shown any evidence of Chertoff of PM to be related to the homeland security director. The burden is on them to provide the evidence since they made the claim. Then they need to argue what the significance of it would be if he is related. Kerry is related to Bush, so I suppose conspiracy theorists would conclude that Kerry was part of a plot to blow up the towers.

Speaking of Controlled Demolitions Inc., it is in the process of preparing a webpage to try to dispell the fringe theories that have developed. We've heard the remarks from conspiracy groups claiming that the collapses couldn't have been propagated by gravity, yet they give no argument to support this claim.

The reason controlled demolition works on most buildings is that gravity drives the collapse. The approach is to make a couple of adjacent floors unstable to the point where gravity takes over and drives the collapse. The floors can be made unstable by cutter charges or by damage due to a jumbo jet and extensive fires. The end result is the same.

For those who claim it couldn't be done by gravity, they have to explain how every floor was supposedly destroyed by cutter charges. There are some groups that make such a wild claim, but they never go into details how something like that could be pulled off (Jones claims it was thermate but doesn't give details). It's typical of conspiracy claims. They sound good on the surface but no one provides the details as to how they were carried out.

The global collapse of the towers started where the aircraft struck and where the fires were burning. For those who think CD could have started the collapse, and gravity took over, they have to explain how all those explosives were supposedly planted secretly on the floors right were the aircraft happened to strike. They've provided no details about this.

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Van Romero made the statement about the collapse resembling CD right after the collapse. He later retracted the statement. There were a lot of people initially who thought it might be a bomb, but people didn't have all the details at that time. Journalists like Dan Rather said it looked similar to CD but that doesn't prove CD any more than saying a freight train destroyed a house because the tornado sounded like a freight train.

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The conspiracy groups reject the expertise of those at universities, reject the expertise of the professional societies such as ASCE and ASME, reject the work of NIST, reject the analysis done by companies in industry. They are all supposedly 'in on it' and can't be trusted (some even claim the elevator mechanics planted explosives). That doesn't leave all that much left. It's one of the reasons that conspiracy claims become an empty shell.

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thanks for the quote shane99x
her life story is worth reading
It is a most courageous woman you quoted

 

The conspiracy groups reject the expertise of those at universities, reject the expertise of the professional societies such as ASCE and ASME, reject the work of NIST, reject the analysis done by companies in industry. They are all supposedly 'in on it' and can't be trusted (some even claim the elevator mechanics planted explosives). That doesn't leave all that much left. It's one of the reasons that conspiracy claims become an empty shell.

I don't believe the NIST as a whole are in on it, neither are ASCE or ASME, but i do think certain individuals were placed on the investigations in an attempt to disrupt it, and anytime the NIST or anyone else made any mention of controlled demolition they were probably told to "stay away from that subject" and not bother with it due to certain political reasons, they follow orders, they probably didn't even think it was a big deal while they probably disagreed with it, most people don't understand that in the world today especially america people follow orders to keep their jobs, of course most people wont keep an order like "were going to kill 3000 of our own people and knock down our own WTC towers, you need to cover it up for us" but they will follow and order like "don't investigate any issue of controlled demolition, we've been asked by the holders of the WTC and it's construction workers to lay off that, investigate these theories such as the pancake theory which is much more relevant". Of course you won't want to and maybe it will sound fishy to you but days pass and you forget about it and go on with your life. it's really just how it is and that's how conspiracies are pulled off.

 

Shaggie, thank you for once again proving that the real issue for the naysayers is that regardless of any evidence shown (i.e. the comparative Chertoff cousin photos with clearly apparent family likenesses) nothing will burst the bubble of willful denial in which they live.

The rest of your posts remain the stock in trade two step expected of the critically impaired who simply cannot see the ethos of conformity or exclusion which has governed the perspectives of all those heavily dependent upon or actively seeking a slice of the Federal budgetary pie most acutely over the past 5 years.

That Mark Loiseaux should be in the process of making yet another "toe the official line" website to dance around basic visiual fact and physical consistency of the collapses with controlled demolition, surprises noone with any consistent reasoning capabilities.

As for your government agencies, again it is all too apparent that you understand nothing about top down paradigm management and the insitutionalised information control that is employed, upon threat of more than job loss, to perpetuate a particular falsehood. Same reason the Gulf of Tonkin fraud took more than a decade to be exposed to the general public and why the roster of falsehoods concerning Soviet Russia and the generally accepted threat of the Cold War mythology has only begun to be reassessed openly within the past several years, albeit still without a consistent platform for mass awareness.

You go right ahead and believe in the physically impossible ground level flight of a 757 into the Pentagon along with your physically impossible, historically unprecedented symmetrical collapses from hydrocarbon-based fires because those with everything to maintain and gain from this ruling pack of jackals and mass murdering criminals are prepared to twist their non-evidential theories beyond the pale of rational science. Certainly your hallowed Dr. Thomas Eager is enjoying his "good doggy" nomination to a seat on the National Research Council Committee on Homeland Security for his compliance, but of course such niggling personal advancement motivations couldn't possibly have prejudiced his theorisations, no.

Moreover, we should also ignore and/or dismiss out of hand the contention of equally (if not more so, actually) expert, Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Labs, who - after raising publically visible contention to the NIST "findings" of the structural integrity of the WTC steel - was not only disavowed by UL in their own self-preservatory denials (aka: lies) before the public on behalf of their federal paymasters, but was subsequently fired. Again no alarm bells of an institutionalised "official line" on the facts of the matter should go off in the minds of the logically complacent. Keep your eyes firmly focussed on the televised punditry we provide you, you are getting sleepy, very sleepy.....

Magic planes, magic collapsing towers, magic foreign boogeymen who on one fateful day, by the most incredibly set of consecutive coincidences, are able to achieve what even our more technologically-equipped and agenda driven MIC/intelligence communities are apparently incapable of doing. Nothing suspect whatsoever to see here, keep grazing!

Nothing warrants the label of irrational "conspiracy theory" as much as belief in that official line.