ABORTION....?! yay or nay?!!

^you do know that there are MANY children who were put up for adoption and never were able to find a family. The closest people to family are their social workers. I'm a social worker myself and I see this stuff happening. Only the "perfect" baby is adopted.

 

I have a friend I've known since childhood who is unable to have children.

She has gone through parenting classes and whatever it is that one
must go through for them to even be considered to be adopted parents.
They are now on a list...actually they've been on this list for several years.
They are even thinking of adopting outside of the U.S.
And I do know something about the lives of several people who were adopted.
My brother being one of them. His birth mother was a singer in a night club
and his father was an already married man who was a Navy officer.
From what we understand the Mother didn't want to give him up
but didn't have the means to raise him. So my parents were blessed
by being able to adopt him as their own. And that's how they raised
him...as their own. I was born 3 years after he was adopted.
So I never remember him not being there. He has an always
will be my true brother. Not adopted. Not a different blood line.
But my brother. So I thank God for his birth mother and her
choice to have him.

 

And abortion is "cut and dry"? Oh, I suppose in the literal sense it is.

 

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/debates/secularist/abortion/index.shtml

Here, have a party. I haven't even read this one yet.

...The battle rages on.

 

abortion: nay
a choice: yay

 

Look, I'm not going to argue with you. I believe women have a right to choose an abortion if they wish. I have two daughters-neither were planned. I never intend to ever get an abortion, but I won't deny that others should have that option should they feel they need it.

 

exactly sugrmag!

Yep ... and, everyone would like to think its just so simple, as making simple choices ..... but there are never any easy answers to tough situations in life. Sure, we all have to make our own choices. Whats WRONG is when other's feel it is their right to have their "say" in the matter ...... limiting the availability of choices for us....

 

oh AMEN SISTER.

yall cant imagine how many times I have wished I were not even born ........ sometimes NOT EXISTING would be a wonderful thing, for many people..

 

You've said it beautifully Bumble..
People are so quick to pass judgements, but if they ever had to be in the other's shoes, they would likely find they would make different choices, too. We all need to be reminded of that.

 

This is never an easy topic, nor will it ever be agreed upon. Love and peace is never brought about by the destruction of innocence. Because a woman may never see the baby doesn't mean she will not be mentally tormented about it for years thereafter. One cannot claim to believe in love and peace yet support destruction. Back in the day, there was always plenty of love to go around, even to children who were often not planned upon.

 

you really are making a huge generalized statement about "Love and Peace" on a forum where you have only posted 38 times. Also, ONE PERSON doesn't get to decide what "Love and Peace" means.

Were you THERE in the day of Love and Peace? One of the offshoots of the Hippy Movement was the Women's Movement, which were both prochoice.

You are really trying to push buttons by telling people who is a hippy and who isn't by your biased claims.

Part of love and peace is to not dictate to others what they may do with their bodies. ANYONE could say "Love and Peace means no destruction, so hippys shouldn't do any recreational or spiritual substances, because in my judgement, drugs are destruction." Silly. Just as silly as dictating that a choice to not be pregnant when one is not ready to be is against "Love and Peace."

You have a RIGHT to your opinion. You don't have a right to tell people the definitions of "Love and Peace" are, based on biased ideas. You don't have a right to tell people what to do with their bodies. You may love babies. So do I. I have four of them. But simply "loving innocents" isn't enough to make laws to turn ordinary womyn into criminals. You can think or feel whatever you want. You cannot try to manipulate the terms of "Love and Peace."

Back in the day? WTF? Abortion was ALWAYS a given in ALL societies. Even the Catholic Church didn't get involved in it, until the past hudred years or so. The law was that termination was fine until "Quickening" which for most womyn is about 18 weeks, long after most abortions are performed.

Also, in New York City, in the 1850s, there were at least ONE MILLION abortions performed a year. That is almost as many as are performed in the entire country, with a much bigger population, right now. It was found that nearly EVERY womyn had at least one abortion in her lifetime, (in the 1850s) and that it was common for womyn to have had an average of 4 or more in a lifetime.

Abortion has ALWAYS been a given, since ancient times. There are instructions, in midwives manuals, in Ancient Egypt for termination of unwanted pregnancies. Even in Bible times, it was assumed to be somethign that was only between a womyn and her midwife. There were NO laws against it. NO the "mischief" law, in Leviticus, which states "mischeif resulting the the loss of a pregnancy" and then it's punishment, if you know Biblical history, was meant for RAPE of a pregnant womyn, which resulted in miscairrage. There were NO laws against this most private procedure until around the Industrial Revolution, when population started dropping.

Get your facts straight before making statements.

I broke my own "private law" by even discussing abortion. It does no good to argue with anti-choice people.

I WILL NOT DISCUSS THIS ANYMORE.

Sorry ladies, you know I screwed up.

And Autumn, FTR, I have never had an abortion myself, despite several unplanned pregnancies. BUT, my concern extends BEYOND the tip of my own nose, to other people who may have been in situations that I cannot relate to from my own experience. Something that antichoicers NEVER do. They think what is "right" for them should be LAW for everybody.

I'm DONE.

 

I'm pro-choice.
I was faced recently with the decision to keep an unplanned baby or to abort the baby....I decided to keep it. I'm very strong willed that I will not have an abortion....but I don't think I should make the rules for other women that may want to have one. I don't agree with them, but to each her own, it is her body.

 

this is a topic that i am very passionate about
NAY!!
women have a variety of birth controll.,.... if your too dumb to properly prevent a pregnancy not only should you not be having sex.... but you should not have the right to use killing as birth controll because of your irresponsibility.
i had my first child at 16.... i wasnt ready but i had to face the music...
i was irresponsible.... i had to grow up fast and take careof a life that I made due to my own neglegance.

 

i say NAY..... face the decision you made in that bed. There are certain circumstances where you may have to have an abortion because of babies health problem so therefore you may haev to do something. But i totally disagree. And i'm one that cannot have kids ... Think twice before making the wrong choice

PG
BTW it could be the best thing thats ever happened to you in your whole entire life
Thats all i have to say.. i work with kids!

 

I'm pro-choice.
I wonder how it would feel if a relative or best friend got killed having a procedure done by an untrained butcher out of utter desperation?
...& What about the uncommon cases....?
Loss- two lives instead of one non- sentient being snuffed before it even had knowledge of itself.

 

You said it all, Autumn! I am grateful knowing that I am not alone in believing that true peace will NEVER exist in this world if abortion is allowed to continue.

When will the madness stop?

And I just want to say thank you to every pro-life person here. We, and our children, are the future. And the future looks bright with them in it!

 

I'm into love and peace. Who is anyone to say that I'm not? That's kind of a cruel thing to say.

 

You know, people will never agree on this subject. Every one is entitled to their own morals and opinions. But no one has the right to tell someone that their's are wrong. Let's drop it now before it gets ugly(er).

 

Anyone with a grasp on science would know better, & try telling that to a fourteen year old that was taught abstinence by people with backward religious good intentions.

 

I can see people being against abortion for moral purposes, but I want you all to think about this. If a GOVERNMENT can control what you can or can not do to your body isn't that a step closer to a dictatorship? Does this not prove to us that our government can control us in other perspectives? I suggest reading "Propaganda and The Public Mind" by Noam Chomsky. Now, if you agree on this perspective, then you're prochoice. You HAVE the choice to keep your baby. What if our government tells you that you have to abort your baby? They do that in Asia to control the population. Isn't this the same exact thing? SAY NO TO ANY GOVERNMENT CONTROL!