Welcome to world war III

Bush forgot to read up on his Gandhi , sigh someone should do him a favor and teach Mr. Farm boy Bush something about Gandhi. after he reads Gandhi, then I guess he will be on our side.

 

If Gandhi was still alive, I'm sure Bush would figure out some way to demonize him and then have the CIA knock him off. It's better that little Georgie doesn't learn too much.

 

I experienced enough of the magic moment, to know when God wants all this nonesence to stop, all the realized and advanced beings on the earth will be tools for all this to end... seas will part, and this earth will shown for the thought it is... enough will happen to cause the warlords to shut up and listen... no worries, just be in the right place at the right time, so your holy temple doesn't get hurt... listen to the inner guru and its protection...

For example, my friend's mother felt that amma didn't want her to come to work on 9/11, she didn't... had she went... well, she would have been right near ground zero and had to suffer a painful death or injury.

 

The first alliance of World War III ?


Let us together fight jihad, VHP tells Pope

NEW DELHI, MAY 20

The VHP has offered to team up with Pope Benedict XVI to fight their ‘‘common’’ adversary of Islamic terrorism. VHP president Ashok Singhal made this offer to the Pope today, two days after the latter expressed serious reservations about moves to ban conversions in certain parts of India. The entire Sangh Parivar, particularly VHP, would have normally unleashed a no-holds-barred campaign against the Pope. However, Singhal, by courting the Pope, has obviously made a major tactical turn.

The VHP chief said: ‘‘Christians and Hindus are both facing the same historical threat of jihad.’’ Drawing a parallel between Christian and Hindu history, he equated the ‘‘destruction of Kashi, Ayodhya, Somnath temples’’ to the terrorist attacks ‘‘on WTC, London and Madrid’’. Then comes the proposition: ‘‘Instead of fighting each other, let us fight jihad.’’ The new tactical position in place, Singhal did affirm his basic stand: ‘‘Pope should declare that Church will not convert a single Hindu’’. He also turned around to ask if the Pope would allow Christians in Vatican to convert.

Meanwhile, BJP spoke-sman Prakash Javadekar came out with a rather mild response today: ‘‘The Pope’s remarks are not relevant to India, there is more freedom here than in many countries. State laws are not against conversion by conviction, but if people convert en masse, motives have to be there.’’




For the uninitiated VHP is India's most militant hindu organisation with a wide organisation....


Wonder if there will there be a treaty .........

 

I think that's most unlikely.

".....And Hinduism, he said, offers 'false hope'; it guarantees 'purification' based on a 'morally cruel' concept of reincarnation resembling 'a continuous circle of hell'.

Cardinal Ratzinger speaking before he was made Pope.

 

This type of quote is what Srila Prabhupada referred to as evidence of "a poor fund of knowledge".

 

I guess that probably a Papist would turn that around and say Prabhupada had a poor fund of knowledge regarding Christian doctrine -

But actually I think it is a disingeneous argument on the part of the Pope. I imagine that he sees only 'false hope' in Hinduism because of the Catholic insistence on Christ's death as the only effective means of salvation.
Where it falls apart in my opinion is in the assumption that the round of re-incarnation is 'morally cruel' - surely it is less morally cruel than the notion of eternal damnation.

Myself I think there's room for a happy accomodation between Christianity and Hinduism - I myself am into elements of both, and don't find it a problem.

In fairness though to the Pope, these words were spoken back in the late 90's. I very much doubt he'd repeat this now he is Pope.
The comments were part of a speech in which he said that in the new millenium, Buddhism will replace Marxism as the Church's main enemy. I think he meant it in the context of westerners turning to Buddhism, and as an aside, Hinduism too.

 

I can understand that BBB

but wars makes room for strange bedfellows....

Like how the US(Capitalism/Imperialism ) allied,supported and used Islamic movements worldwide to counter,supress and defeat (socialist/communist movements ).

 

Exactly, USED
*mumble mumble*
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Yes that's true. But I think a political alliance between the Vatican and Hindu Fundies is a distant prospect. For one thing, Ratzinger is set to be very Euro-centric Pope, and the problems posed by Islam in Europe are very different from in India and elsewhere. Hardly any Europeans convert to Islam - and I can't see that is likely to change much.

 

Please don't read more into what I am about to say than exactly what i write. I do not believe thAT what the US govt. has done is right and I do not agree with our present adversaries. I do think that Bush was correct (not RIGHT) in what he said about the opening act of WWIII and here is why. We have a country being lead by radical religous fundamentalists who are pushing an "end of the world" belief that the adherents believe will bring about the return of their God and the new beginning of a golden age...and that is the US. On the other hand you have a group of armed religous fanatics that believe that the are starting the first battles in another end of the world scene that will bring about the return of God and a new Golden Age. For the Christian Fundamentalist it is Christ...New Jerusalem...etc. For the Moslems is is Immam Maahdi...then Jesus son of Mary...world wIde Caliphate, ETC. Both view the other as the devil and both are "true believers" which are the most dangerous kind. Folks this is not going to work out in any other way but a nearly world wide clash of absolute psychotic death and destruction and I see no way to stop it quickly enough.

 

One thing - it is only Shia Islam that awaits the return of the Mahdi, and actually, the terrorism is coming from those calling themselves sunni.

 

I thought that too but read some time back that a number of Muslem folks were pushing that angle in regards to Ben Laden (him being the Maahdi). I don't know if they were trying to drum up support from the Shia crowd or what the angle was...regardless it is still religous nuts against religous nuts and that spells trouble. I don't like it and I think it's wrong.

 

They're nuts alright. It's a big problem.

 

Some say the first Iraq war was the start of WW3.

 

The truth is that since the end of world war II in 1945, the world has not known a single day of peace. However, what's happening now is nothing compared to the second world war. Russia alone lost 25 million people. I don't think anything like that is really on the cards at present.
Had America and its allies done something to solve the Israel/Palestine dispute back in the 70's prior to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, we wouldn't now be facing this situation.
It seems the 'beast' only reacts if you stamp on its tail. Let's hope we don't see a similar refusal to deal with reality over environmental meltdown - but I fear that is exactly what will happen. Only when the threat is immediate and unavoidable will any meaningful action be taken.

 

The beast plants the seed.

 

Today I got a mailing from Tolerance International, which I find quite disturbing.
It concerns the human rights situation in Iran.
Many people are unaware of just what is going on there.

Here are a few examples:

Jan. 2006 - Amnesty International reports at least 8 children executed in Iran during 2005.

Aug. 15th 2004 - 15 year girl, old Atefeh Rajabi was hanged in northern Iran for 'acts incompatible with chastity'..

October 3rd 2004 - 16 year old Feiz Mohammed was sentenced to death.

Nov 12th 2004 - 14 year old Kaveh Habib Nejad was flogged to death for eating in public during ramadan.

120,000 political prisoners executed since 1981.

13 hanged and 23 sentenced to death in two days - 20th -21st April 2006.

Flogging, eye gouging, amputation of limbs and stoning to death continues unabated.

President Ahmadinejad has said Israel is an 'evil regieme' that will soon be 'annihilated'.

From 'The Times' - 20th April 2006:
"Muslim students training in Britain to be Imamas at a British college with strong Iranian links have complained that they are being taught fundamentalist doctrines which describe non Muslims as "filth".
Besides likening unbelievers to filth, the al-Hilli text includes a chapter on jihad, setting down the conditions under which Muslims are supposed to fight Jews and Christians."

From 'The Guardian' - 19th April 2006:
"Relations between the west and the hardline Iranian regime are set to worsen after a Theran based group claimed yesterday it was trying to recruit Iranians and other Muslims in Britain to carry out suicide bombings against Israel."

The big question is can they be prevented, without another war, from obtaining neuclear weapons within a few years? Because given all of this, it seems quite likely they would be prepared to use them. Tolerance International, which is a mainstream organization backed by some bigwigs in British politics, hope so.

Myself, I find it quite disturbing - and I'm not really convinced Iran can be persuaded by sanctions etc to give up its neuclear ambitions, or to improve the utterly abysmal human rights situation.

http://www.toleranceinternational.com/

 

iran is one of the reasons w hy i joined the a rmy. now thats a re gime that should be overtthrown.