Ernesto 'Che' Guevara:

Yeah...it's a bit odd, as people have pointed out, these people fighting for communist ideals being plastered onto t-shirts fueling a capitalist economy. Besides, Che was not that great of a person. It's the same as stupid chairman mao bags...these people weren't that great at all, despite what the Motorcycle Diaries will have you believe.

I mean, why aren't people walking around with pictures of Ghandi emblazoned on their chests? I argue that Ghandi did more for this world than Che or Castro did any day, and he did it peacefully, too. How appropriate for the so-called hippies who frequent these forums.

 

Ghandi didn't do more than Castro.
It's just that he has a spiffier public image in america because he never overtly stood up against what they are doing.

 

No, he didn't stand up to America, but he stood up to what the British were doing in India without killing anyone or, you know, putting gays in concentration camps, which good ol' Che was rumored to have done.

 

beh~
He got the job done.

You know, it's funny-
Ghandi took his approach from Thoreau,...
and all he is in the american mind is a limpwrist who didn't like paying taxes and who is hated for opposing the good 'ole U.S. government.
Americans would rather believe that the 'liberators of iraq' are the good guys, though...
the people who take Ghandi's image, slap it on a box of ammunition and somehow everybody believes they are doing the right thing...

 

Communists aren't necessarily genocidal maniacs, tolitarians, or authoritarians. Communism is strictly economics. Its image has been fucked up because of the authoritarian idiots who attempted it. I don't support those people and you can't justify genocide, but I do support a democratic and libertarian form of it. Socialism first though.

Same for Capitalists. They aren't necessarily authoritarian or libertarian. Any type of government can implement either system (Capitalism or Socialism).

 

I disagree.
It hasn't really been the fault of the people who have attempted it that it has a negative public image at all.

 

No.

But neither would he.

I really do like Che.

 

False.

He was fighting for a better world. Yes, he used violence, but he was not violent. He fought against dictatorship of people like Batista and Barrientos, two disgusting dictators.

False.

Perhaps he would agree with you.

He was a humble man.




Regarding the T-shirt/picture thing... Like what his daughter basically said, when he was asked to pose with a giant picture of him:
"That's not my father. That is a moment in his life"

Then she would pose with a different picture, where he was smiling and holding a cigar. Then she said: "This is my father. I always remember him that way, smiling".

 

Well, it depends on who gets to judge whether somebody is a criminal.
Apparently, to some people even I seem very menacing.
From my perspective, though, it's the abusive cops who are the criminals.
Who's beating up on who?
Rejecting and standing up to the reign of (U.S.-backed) fascists
and fighting for the rights of an entire continent
like Che did doesn't make him a criminal in God's book,...
why should it make him one in mine?

 

What do you not like about Che?

What makes you hate him?

 

good or not good, I don't wear clothes with pictures of anyone or with brand names on them. sorry.

 

Whatsoever, Che is a violent rogue, not a freedom fighter. Why we can't wear a Patrick Henry shirt instead, he helped founding USA but later he disagreed with US's infringement on personal liberty. Patrick the Anti-Federalist, we should remember him.

 

Che was Castro's chief executioner. He killed people summarily without trial.

 

God bless him for it.

 

It seems like people don't seem to know, who he was. They just think-oh that's cool I'll wear it.

No-I don't want to wear his face.

 

You are ABSOLUTELY wrong. Maybe you need read more about it and learn about our people before speak about it.

 

You people makes me laugh.

Bush is criminal... not Che.
Che Guevara a violent maniac??? PLEASE!! What do you know about him??.

 

You don't know what Che means and did for latin american people, so shut up.
The things here are not like you "think"... you can't stay "peacefully" all the time -although it is a good way, too-. When things are unfear, and there's not justice, you HAVE to do something. To change the world sometimes you need confront the enemy with they owns arms.
I know the violence is not the better way, but you have to defend what belong to you and your people.

Che Guevara was against the imperialism and capitalism. So I'm not gonna use a t-shirt of him, at least that I made it!

Oh!. And Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are not the same person!. Castro is, now, a dictator.

 

Its the fault of whoever decided to call Stalinism Communism. Its really just ignorance, but oh well.

 

There is a song of a guy named Kevin Johansen, that I like. And is about it. Let me show you the lyrics.
If you know spanish, you'll understand it. I'm gonna try translate it for you, sorry if there's something wrong.

McGuevara’s o CheDonald’s

Todos se dejan la barba y el pelo como él
Pero no son como él
Todos declaran y hablan en nombre de él
Como si fueran él
Yo me pregunto que estará pensando él
Si pudiera ver
Cómo se llenan de plata hablando de él
Sin saber nada de él

Todos se compran la remerita del Che
Sin saber quien fue
Su nombre y su cara no paran de vender…

Parece McGuevara’s o CheDonald’s
Parece McGuevara’s O CheDonald’s

No es hermano de Fidel ni pariente de Pino’che’
El nació en la Argentina y salió a recorrer
No es de la época de Evita y a pesar del musical
Nunca fue asistente de Peron, el General

Yo me pregunto por qué le tocó a él
Ser Jesucristo al final del milenio, che, eh, Che…

(Y lo mataron como un perro en Bolivia)
Vuelve y vuelve mil veces al que matan así
O es que al final nunca muere
El que no teme morir

Parece McGuevara’s o CheDonald’s


McGuevara’s or CheDonald’s

Everyone let grow the beard and hair like him
but they are not like him
Everyone declare and talk in his name
Like they were him
I wonder what will he thinking
If he could see
How they fill up of money talking of him
Without know him at all

Everyone buy the t-shirt of Che
Without know who he was
His name and his face don't stop to sell

It seems McGuevara's, or CheDonald's
it seems McGuevara's, or CheDonald's

He is not brother of Fidel, or familiar of Pino'che
He was born in Argentina and went out to travel
He is not of the period of Evita, and in spite of musical
He never was assistant of Peron, the General.

I wonder why he had to
been Jesus Christ at the end of millenium, che, eh, Che.

(and they killed him like a dog in Bolivia)
He come back, and come back one thousand times the one who's killed that way
Or in the end never died the one who doesn't afraid to die.
He doesn't afraid to die.

It seems McGuevara's or CheDonald's.