Traditional Islam and the problem of Sunnah/Hadith

Assalamu Alaykum Brothers and Sisters,

I feel it necessary to address the issue of Sunnah and Hadith in Islam and all the impact it has made on the religion which was founded by Abraham(p.b.u.h).

I have been a Muslim for about a year now, and while I believe the Quran to be the word of God revealed to his messenger Muhammad(p.b.u.h.), When I started to read and research the various Sunnah and Hadith, a red light went on for me, and I asked some brothers how they could verify the accuracy and or truth of these various Hadith and asked others why the Quran does not provide support for the many of the prohibitions in Hadith.The answer I received was more one to not question such things and thus was not satisfactory. I also have done my own research concerning Sunnah and have found that too much of it it is non-essential and contradictory, and now similarly equate it to the corruption of the Gospel(Injeel) by the Christian Scholars and Paul.

While I believe the Quran has come through to us today unchanged Al-Hamdulilah, I often think it is going against Islam for these Sunnah to be regarded as on the level with the words of God, and held with such respect as the Quran is held. I also see on the part of many of my fellow Muslims who believe in the accuracy and truth of the Hadith and Sunnah, that many of them seem to elevate Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) above the other prophets, while he himself stated that one is not to differentiate between the messengers of Allah. I see a similar elevation of the prophet Isa (Jesus) (p.b.u.h.) in Christianity

I also think it is not following the concept of worship of one and only one god without any partners to include the name of any of the prophets (p.b.u.t.) in prayers. After all why would Muhammad's (p.b.u.h.)name be mentioned in the Adthan(sp) or in Salat, when they would obviously not be included when he prayed Salat or the Salat of the prophets and Muslims before his time?? Many things about the Sunnah, the extra Sunnah prayers, the various prohibitions mentioned in Hadith which have no mention whatsoever in the Quran but which are accepted as law when neither come from the prophets (p.b.u.t.) or Allah. I always thought that many of the prohibitions, especially the one against music and song, was indeed false, and apparently there are other Muslims who question these scholarly interpretations of the Quran and these hadith which are akin to Biblical verses where Isa or Jesus (p.b.u.h.) may have said or done this or that, or likewise Muhammad (p.b.u.h) may have said or done this or that.

Many people considering Islam are turned off to the faith by the various Sunnah and Hadith which are not Islam, the various laws such as the stoning of adulterers, the execution of people renouncing the faith as one person on this board has mentioned is not from the Qu'ran and the traditional Islamic faith, but from the Sunnah and Hadith. The list of prohibitions continues on to include not putting bells on animals and the evil of music and song which again have no basis in Islam.

I think this website can be an eye-opener to Muslims to question what is the real Islam and to strive to follow the faith www.quran-islam.org which addresses these issues, and I will note that I do not agree with everything on this website, it contains articles to reflect on and think about or discard or regard as one sees fit. I am not a sponsor of these website I just encourage Muslims or those interested in Islam to view them and come to their own conclusions. I do not start this thread to start arguments and so on, just to question and reflect as the Quran tells us to do,

Shukran brothers and sisters,

Maa'Salaama,

-Abdullah

 

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Asalaamu Alaykum CatStevens, It is your choice whether or not you read my posts or not, I am however personally interested in following the true faith of Islam, not that which additions, deletions and contradictions/corruptions have been made, which is how I see the current state of the Sunni/Shiate Islamic faith, there is no doubt in my mind that these additional books (Hadith, Sunnah) go against what the Qu'ran teaches and thus the very basis of what people nowadays believe is Islam.

Traditional Islam is very simple and easy to follow, as the Qu'ran states. Laa ilaha illa Allah (There is no God but God), belief in the prophets of Allah (p.b.u.t.) and that which they were sent with (Qu'ran, Torah, Injeel, the other books revealed by God in their original forms) Salat(Praying the mandatory[farz] prayers 5 times a day without Sunnah prayers necessary, Zakat(giving to the poor, needy, travellers), Ramadan(Fasting for one month, can be made up for any time during the year if you are unable to fast during that month), Hajj(Pilgrimage to Mecca if you have the funds). Very simple and straightforward, to do good to others and pray and give charity and fast, and do pilgrimage.

Islam is not Fatwa and Sharia laws, or Hadith written for the purposes of statesmen and Sullas which most people think is an integral part of Islam. It also states in various surah's of the Qu'ran that these books and teachings go against Islam.

Maa'Salaama,

Abdullah

 

salaam nomad.

interesting discussion and you brought up some good points.

however, i have to respectfully disagree w/ your conclusions on sunnah and prayer.

As the Holy Prophet was commissioned for the propagation of the Quran, he was also commissioned for establishing the sunnah.

This was essentially the main purpose of the prophet: to show us how to live the life of a muslim.

For instance, when the Prayer services were made obligatory, the Holy Prophet illustrated by his action how many rakaas were to be performed in each Prayer service.

On the other hand, the Holy Prophet did not have the hadeeth recorded in his presence nor did he make any arrangement for its compilation.

It would be a mistake to imagine that till the ahadeeth were compiled, the Muslims were unaware of the details of Prayer services or did not know the proper way of performing the pilgrimage. The practical illustrations of the sunnah had taught them all the limits and obligations laid down by Islam. It is true, therefore, that even if the ahadeeth, which were collected after a long time, had not been compiled this would not have affected the real teaching of Islam for the Holy Quran and practice had fulfilled this need. The ahadeeth only added to that light and Islam became light upon light and the ahadeeth became testimonies for the Quran and sunnah.

The major differences w/in islam arise as a result of different interpretations of the hadeeth.

The Quran and sunnah should judge the ahadeeth and those that are not opposed to them should by all means be accepted.

and lastly, on mentioning the prophet in prayer. i really think you came to an illogical conclusion on that.

no on is elevating the prophet to Allah (God-forbid). the kalima is simply an affirmation that we believe in One God and that we believe that Muhammad (SAW) is a prophet of God.

there is no correlation w/ that and what happened w/ christianity.

salaam!

 

Asalaamu Alaykum,

"As the Holy Prophet was commissioned for the propagation of the Quran, he was also commissioned for establishing the sunnah."

Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) was a messenger only, as stated in the Qu'ran, his MAIN and ONLY purpose was to spread the message of God, the Qu'ran, not any sunnah or hadith or anything else regarding anything else and this is mentioned time and again in the Qu'ran. So in that respect I must respectfully disagree.

Regarding the prayers, these were established prior to Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) of course, going back all the way to Abraham (p.b.u.h.) so obviously Salat was established before the time of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.).

Mentioning the name of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) in prayer was not how Musa, Elijah, Abraham, Isa and the other prophets (p.b.u.t.) and the earlier Muslims prayed to Allah, so I see no need to do so, personally.

There is nothing wrong with the Kalima, however the name Muhammad in the Kalima could just as easily be changed with Isa, Ibraheem, Musa, or one of the other prophets (p.b.u.t.) and mean the same thing, that one believes in Allah and the prophets (p.b.u.t.), so I don't see the need for it to be mentioned either in prayer or the Adthan.

Maa'Salaama,

Abdullah

 

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Masha'Allah, congratulations brother, welcome to Islam ^^​

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Did you read them without studying ''Oloom Al-Hadith '' i.e. (The science of Hadith or the Knowledge of Hadith'', and did you ask those who didn't study too, if so, that's the problem.​

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Study it if you want, Very interesting^^​

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Of course not all Hadiths are authentic, as I said, you should study Oloom Al-Hadith and would be much better if you will study Arabic, but I think you need to study Oloon Al-Qur'aan as well. And where did you make your research, using which sources, anti-Islamic (non-Islamic) sources if so, then this is very stupid. BTW there are many websites using Islamic names, and this is pathetic to confuse Muslims, I know a Muslim who were confused and told me that such and such , he then told me that he got that conclusion after visiting a website, I checked it and it was an anti-Islamic website, how poor. ​

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Can you write the hadith, I don't know about which hadith you are talking about, but what I know that one is not to differentiate between the messengers of Allah because they All came with the same message, which is to believe and Worship one God , Allah. What I know that Muhammad is the greatest prophet that What I hear, Isn't big deal, if he was so, so he is, if he wasn't, so what, perform the five pillars and obey Allah that's it. And whenever you want to ask some one don't ask ordinary Muslims who aren't informed enough.​

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Does Islam teach so, if not, we don't judge Islam according to some Muslims' deeds. ​

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Again: you have to study Oloom Al-Hadith, and who are theyè when they would obviously not be included when he prayed Salat​

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Dear brother, you really need to study Oloom Al-Qur'aan man? Have you ever heard about Al-Ayat AlMutlaqa, Al-Muqayda- A-Muhkam etc??? very very interesting, to follow Sunnah is a must, only one example, Allah stated in Qur'aan that we should pray right, without the sunnah we cannot do so, the Qur'aan don't explain it, but the prophet did so ​

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Qur'aan: [059:007] …. And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad P.B.U.H) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.​

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[005:092] And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad PBUH), and beware and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messengers duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.​

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[053:002] Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. [053:003]Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. [053:004] It is no less than inspiration sent down to him​

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[003:031] Say (O Muhammad PBUH to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."​

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BTW the prophet PBUH prophesied about Muslims who will reject the sunnah and will follow the Qur'aan only ​

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To know the truth about Islam from non-Islamic or anti-Islamic websites is illogical. Be aware dear brothers and sisters from fake Islamic websites, All the best ^^ [/Quote]​

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Afwan, Maa'Salaama Abdullah, very nice name =)​

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Wa alykum assalam Abdullah =)​

And how can you perform salat without Hadiths, You can't do so , How to pay Zakat, details of performing Hajj, etc​

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By Dr. Khalid Alvi​

<B>he (Prophet Muhmmad PBUH) had to convey the divine message, but it was also his duty to act upon it and to explain it to the people. His actions and explanations are a source of guidance forever. His sayings, actions, practices, and explanations are a source of light for every Muslim in every age. ​

The Qur’an contains dozens of reminders of the important position of the Prophet. For instance, the Qur’an says:​

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan[Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad PBUH) you have a good example to follow for anyone who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. ] (Al-Ahzab 33:21) ​

According to this verse, every Muslim is bound to have the good example of the Prophet as an ideal in life. In another verse, he has been made a hakam (judge) for the Muslims by Allah Almighty. No one remains Muslim if he does not accept the Prophet’s decisions and judgments:​

[ But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. ] (An-Nisaa’ 4:65) ​

While explaining the qualities of Muslims, the Qur’an says:​

[The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: They say: we hear and we obey.] (An-Nur 24: 51)​

In many places, the Qur’an has given its verdict on this issue. The Qur’an says, [Obey Allah and obey the Messenger] (An-Nisaa’ 4:59) and, [Whatever the Messenger giveth you, take it, and whatever he forbiddeth, abstain from it] (Al-Hashr 59:7).​

The Qur’an is very clear in expressing its view on the position of the Prophet. According to the Qur’an, the Prophet has four capacities, and he must be obeyed in every capacity. He is mu`alim wa murabbi (teacher and educator); he explains the Book; he is a judge; and he is a ruler. In all these capacities, he is an ideal example for the Muslims. I am quoting a few verses of the Qur’an just to give a hint of this topic.​

[Allah did confer a great favor on the believers when He sent among them a messenger from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the signs of Allah, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the wisdom while, before that, they had been in manifest error.] (Aal `Imran 3:164)​

[And We have sent down unto thee the Remembrance that thou mayest explain clearly (if you will study Oloom Al-Qur'aan you will understand vereything =) )to mankind what is sent for them.] (An-Nahl 16:44)​

[He commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good and pure and prohibits them from what is bad and impure. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them.] (Al-A`raf 7:157)​

[O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything amongst yourselves refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day.] (An-Nisaa’ 4:59)​

[It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path.] (Al-Ahzab 33:36) ​

In all these verses, the Qur’an has explained various aspects of the Prophet’s personality. One can judge the importance of the Prophet from these verses. I am reminded of another important verse of the Qur’an, which is actually a verdict against those who do not believe in Hadith as an authentic source of law:​

[And whoso opposeth the Messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer’s way, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and shall cause him to endure hell—a hapless journey’s end!] (An-Nisaa’ 4:115) ​

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The Qur’an, while pressing the Muslims to obey the Prophet, goes a step further when it announces that the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is above all the limitations of time and space. He is the Last Prophet and is a Messenger of Allah for the whole of humanity for all time to come. Hadith is nothing but a reflection of the personality of the Prophet, who is to be obeyed at every cost. ​

Any student of the Qur’an will see that the Qur’an generally deals with the broad principles or essentials of religion, going into details in very rare cases. The details were generously supplied by the Prophet himself, either by showing in his practice how an injunction is to be carried out, or by giving an explanation in words. The Sunnah or Hadith of the Prophet was not,. a thing of which the need may have been felt only after his death, for it was very much needed in his lifetime. The two most important religious institutions of Islam are Prayer and zakah; yet when the injunction relating to Prayer and zakah were delivered—and they were repeatedly revealed in both Makkah and Madinah—no details were supplied. “Keep up Prayers” is the Qur’anic injunction, and it was the Prophet himself who, by his own actions, gave details of the Prayer and said, “Pray as you see me praying.”​

Payment of zakah is, again, an injunction frequently repeated in the Qur’an, yet it was the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who gave the rules and regulations for its payment and collection. These are but two examples, but since Islam covers the entire sphere of human activities, hundreds of points had to be explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) by his example in action and in words. ​

After all, the importance of the Sunnah, even as a second source of Islam, was a settled issue for the Companions of the Prophet. I quote only one of the many examples: that of Mu`az ibn Jabal who said to the Prophet that he would decide according to the Sunnah if he did not find the solution of a problem in the Book. To quote Dr. Hamidullah: ​

The importance of Hadith is increased for the Muslim by the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) not only taught, but took the opportunity of putting his teachings into practice in all the important affairs of life. He lived for twenty three years after his appointment as the Messenger of Allah. He endowed his community with a religion, which he scrupulously practiced himself. He founded a state, which he administered as the supreme head, maintaining internal peace and order, heading armies for external defense, judging and deciding the litigations of his subjects, punishing the criminals, and legislating in all walks of life. He married and left a model of family life. Another important fact is that he did not declare himself to be above the ordinary law which he imposed on others. His practice was not mere private conduct, but a detailed interpretation and application of his teachings. (Introduction to Islam, p. 23)​

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Asalaamu Alaykum CatStevens,

Everyone needs to think for themselves and not spread that which they are not sure of, the Qu'ran repeatedly tells us to ponder and reflect and that it is a perfect book fully detailed, so if it needed to explain the intricacies and exact form of Salat it would have been laid down in the Qu'ran. It actually does explain it quite well including the standing, bowing and prostrating when performing Salat and the times when one should perform Salat (for those who choose to perform the mandatory Salat), although according to it's interpretation Muslims differ over whether it is 3 or 5 times daily.

Thus no hadith is needed for performing Salat, I am sure others interpret Allah's book the Qu'ran as not complete or fully detailed, but since Allah mentions the level of detail and completeness of the Qu'ran in his message, I am more inclined to believe Allah and what he conveyed to his Messengers (pbut) than some scholar who could easily be subject to various conflicting influences while writing religious books and easily make mistakes. The Prophets (pbut) and the Moslems before the Hadiths were performing the proper Salat, obviously they had no Hadiths and needed none to worship God in the proper way.

I have read many Hadiths, and I actually find alot of truth (in my own thinking) contained in many of them. On the same note, they also contain numerous contradictions and corruptions which I cannot just shove aside and choose not to acknowledge. These Hadiths were not sent by Allah to any of his messengers (pbut) and seeing how the Qu'ran warns against these kind of writings and the corruption they entail, I do not see how one could rationally incorporate these sayings or deeds of the Prophet (pbuh) or the Sahaba into Islam. Muhammad did not sanction others writing religious books in his name or him saying or doing anything other than the Qu'ran, and that is basically what it comes down to. To obey Allah and his messengers (pbut) , you must follow the books from Allah revealed to his messengers (pbut) , not the books from men speculating on deeds and sayings of the messengers(pbut).

I honestly don't see how some Scholars can accurately determine which hadiths are authentic and which hadiths are not authentic according to any man-made process of formulas, elimination, witnesses and so on and so forth. No matter how scrupulously they try and preserve accuracy there will always be mistakes and faults which deviate from the original books from Allah. This happened to the Torah, The Injeel and the other books. These people bring unnecessary complications, restrictions, inaccuracies (Hadiths, Sunnah) and hardships into Islam, when they are not needed or required. Fortunately these Hadith do not change the Qu'ran itself, but attempt to offer a way of interpreting it, when none is needed. Any sane person can read the Qu'ran themselves and realize what is conveys without the help of any other religious books. The Qu'ran is the word of Allah, what other book does man require?

Subhanallah, Laa Ilaha Illa Allah.

Maa'Salaama,

Abdullah

 

Salam aliekum brothers


very good discussion I just wanted to add my two cents about why Muhammad SAWS is the most praised prophet. During his acendancy Rasulullah SAWS was the only human being to come into close proximity to Allah swt. He is the best of prophets because he is the final prophet. Muhammad SAWS will be the only prophet with the ability to intercede on your behalf on the day of judgement.

 

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Wa Alaykum Asalam brother Abdullah =)
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Come on man, I already posted many verses which are so clear that we SHOULD follow the prophet, All Muslims were doing so during prophet's life (following Sunnah) and after his death, when did they appear those who are preaching what you are calling to? The prophecy is fulfilled.
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And nobody has the right to say that the explain of Salat or whateva should have been laid in Qur'aan , this is up to Allah, Allah repeatedly ordered us to pray, OK how , and when? Allah stated: [Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad PBUH) you have a good example to follow for anyone who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. ] (Al-Ahzab 33:21) Sunnah (is what the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, did, or approved of) is the second source in Islam. The sunnah is comprised of hadeeths, which are reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) companions of what he said, did, or approved of) tells us it is five prayers, its times, how to perform it and to perform wadhu, and the conditions for performing both Wadhu and Salat etc, regarding: the Qu'ran repeatedly tells us to ponder and reflect and that it is a perfect book fully detailed è don't misunderstand the verse, what does this detailed Book say, it orders us to follow the prophet right? I already wrote the verses which order so, as I said you should study Oloom Al-Qur'ann and read what the detailed book says:
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"And We have revealed unto thee (Muhammd PBUH) the Remembrance (i.e. Qur'aan) that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that they may reflect." (An-Nahl: 44) Qur'aan gives us details on how to practice Islam, perform Salat, by referring to Qur'aan and Sunnah
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[O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, .. If ye differ in anything amongst yourselves refer it to Allah (Qur'aan) and the Messenger (Sunnah), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day.] (An-Nisaa’ 4:59)
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And what should you say when you are doing so (standing, bowing and prostrating)? How many times should you bow? What becomes first, bowing, or prostrating?
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There is no mention in the Qur’an that there are five obligatory prayers to be performed daily. Nor is the number of rakh`ahs of each prayer specified, as well as the percentage to be paid in Zakah; the details in the rituals of Hajj, and other such ordinances and dealings. All of these details are profoundly dealt with in the Sunnah." Can you wear red T-Shirt and perform Hajj!!! How can you have a Halal meat? How should we slay the sheep? What are the conditions? Why do you think the prophet was explaining all these things?
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3 times by making (Jam'a) see, you should study Oloom Al-Hadeeth =)
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Ouch! You need to study the History; it will take very long time man They needed the Hadith, but why it wasn't written this is a very long story, you need to ready the History, VERY interesting
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But if they were performing the proper Salat, it was according to how the prophet performed it
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Againm you should study Oloom Al-Hadith. How can they (Sholars do so) because the study Oloom Al-Hadith and OElm Al-Rijal =)
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Astaghfirullah! Answer me: Why do you think the prophet was explaining all these things?
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[002:085] …Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
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OMG! You are kidding me, Omar forbade Muslims to write Hadiths read more hadiths man Some Sahabas wrote Hadiths in HIS life, and he encouraged them, don't read selected hadith man =)
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Qur'aan: [059:007] …. And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad P.B.U.H) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.
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[004:080] He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad PBUH), has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad PBUH) as a watcher over them.
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"And We have revealed unto thee (Muhammd PBUH) the Remembrance (i.e. Qur'aan) that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that they may reflect." (An-Nahl: 44) do you reject Prophet Muhammad's explanation?? Are ya Muslim?
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[Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad PBUH) you have a good example to follow for anyone who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. ] (Al-Ahzab 33:21) etcetra
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Those were the word of Allah, and the final word of Allah Qur'ann this thing didn't happen to it and won't happen, but for Sunnah the prophet already prophesied about the corruption of hadiths =)
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How do you explain this, Allah says it needs to be explained:
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"And We have revealed unto thee (Muhammd PBUH) the Remembrance (i.e. Qur'aan) that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that they may reflect." (An-Nahl: 44)
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May Allah guide us, Amen =)
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*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Asadullah​

Wa Aliekum Asalam dear brother Asadullah ​

[004:086] When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally.​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

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Another un-islamic website, Do you know why?​

Do you know who was Rashad Khalifa (Astaghfirullah) ? Do you belong to his cult? please say no,Check this out man ​

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DEAR MUSLIMS AND NON_MUSLIMS BE AWARE OF FAKE ISLAMIC WEBSITES​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

cat, it's not really "anti-islamic", unless i misunderstand the way you use that word.

but, yeah, im sorry nomad- you really should read up on rashad khalifa and his techniques.

good luck.

 

Asalaamu Alaykum,

Regarding history, brother CatStevens, the origin and history of the Sunnah and Hadith is well documented. Feel free to research on your own regarding them. As to the other points mentioned, I have already addressed them in previous posts. Regarding this post >

"He is the best of prophets because he is the final prophet. Muhammad SAWS will be the only prophet with the ability to intercede on your behalf on the day of judgement."

This is not mentioned in the Qu'ran >"he is the best of prophets", and in fact it states quite clearly in the Qu'ran that there is not to be any differentiation between the prophets of Allah (pbut) and it also mentions that there are no intercessors between men and Allah subhanahu wa t'ala.

Regarding those websites I posted on here, it is more for people to have access to other opinions and think for themselves regarding Islam. I do not agree with everything in those websites (including mathematical equations attempting to offer an explanation of the Qu'ran), and never claimed as much, like I said people should think for themselves, question and reflect as mentioned in the Qu'ran.

Maa'Salaama,

-Abdullah

 

Salam Alikeum Brothers may Allah bless you and set your affairs in order.


Is it not true that having a beard, wearing a silver ring on the right pinky finger, wearing a kufi or anything of the sort to gain Muhammad's (SAWS) intercession on the day of judgement?

Dear brother the Qu'ran does not mention alot of things we know to be incorporated in our deen.

He who is worthy of peace and blessings said, "The ink of scholars is more precious than the blood of martyrs." The value of the ahadiths should not be thrown to the wind, rather held close to your heart. May Allah guide us on this dark and slippery path with the Qu'ran and Sunnah of Our Prophet (SAWS) as torches. amen.

 

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It spreads wrong info about Islam! VERY WRONG, it destroys the real islam. ​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

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Wa Alaykum Asalam =)
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I already did =) I did my very own researches, and Took courses and classes too.
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We Muslims follow Qur'aan and Sunnah =)
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let's read the previous verses, ''context​

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[002:135] And they say: "Be Jews or Christians, you will be rightly guided" Say: "Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, Hanifa (the upright one - Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) , and he was not of the polytheist" ( 136). Say: "We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the twelve sons of Yaqoob (Jacob), and (in) that which was given to Musa (Moses) and 'Isa (Jesus), and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit" (137). If then they believe in like of what you believe in, they are indeed on the right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great dissension…​

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[002:136] Qooloo amanna biAllahi wama onzila ilayna wama onzila ila ibraheema wa-ismaAAeela wa-ishaqa wayaAAqooba waal-asbati wama ootiya moosa waAAeesa wama ootiya alnnabiyyoona min rabbihim la nufarriqu bayna ahadin minhum wanahnu lahu muslimoona
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Read the interpretation of these verses, We Muslims believe in all the previous messengers and prophets,the true religion followed by the children of Ibrahim - Isma'il and Ishaq as well as Ya'qub and his descendants - was the same Islam which was -the religion of Ibrahim, the upright one. it is one, in the same way as God, Who is to be worshipped, is One it is the religion of Ibrahim; "And they say: 'Be Jews or Christians' ", stands for the sentences, "The Jews say: 'Be Jews, you will be guided aright'; and the Christians say: 'Be Christians, you will be rightly guided.' " Did Jews believe in Jesus?Do Christians believe in 1 God? Do both of them belive in ( 136). Say: "We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us(Qur'aan) ...we do not make any distinction between any of them (Mohd's message is the same of the previou sprophets, Do they believe this? is Mohd's message Different! we don't make distinction, they all are prophets of Allah following the same message of Abraham) QUR'AN: Say: "Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the uptight one, and he was not of the polytheists": It is the reply of their claims. The Prophet should tell them: Nay! we follow the religion of Ibrahim, the upright one; because it is the one religion which was followed by all your prophets - Ibrahim and all those who came after him. Ibrahim, who brought this religion, was not a polytheist. Had there been so many divisions in his religion - the divisions which were attached to it by the innovators - QUR'AN: Say: "We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us (Qur'aan), and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim. . . ": After mentioning the claim of the Jews and the Christians, Allah describes the truth. The truth consists of the testimony of belief in One God and belief in all that was brought by the prophets - without making any distinction between them. They all called to one same message, no one of them came with a different message, "that which has been revealed to us", that is, the Qur'an . Then He mentions "that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Isma'il and Ishaq and Ya'qub". Thereafter is described "that which was given to Musa and 'Isa' Finally the testimony includes "that which was given to the prophets". This sentence covers all the prophets and thus paves the way for the next declaration: "we do not make any distinction between any of them". We believe in all messengers and in their same one message, [004:150] Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers saying, "We believe in some but reject others," and wish to adopt a way in between. [004:150] Inna allatheena yakfuroona biAllahi warusulihi wayureedoona an yufarriqu bayna Allahi warusulihi wayaqooloona nu/minu bibaAAdin wanakfuru bibaAAdin wayureedoona an yattakhithoo bayna thalika sabeelan
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So, "We believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to us (Qur'ann), and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat (the twelve sons of Yaqoob (Jacob), and (in) that which was given to Musa (Moses) and 'Isa (Jesus), and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them (Muhammad, Jesus and Moses all are prophets of Allah we believe in their prophethood, the message they brought it to us, we don't make a distinction by believing in Isa but not in Muhammad (christians) or in Moses but not Mohd and Jesus (Jews)and their message, no we Muslims believe in all of them, Cause they came with the same message, they all are prophet from the same God) (137). If then they believe in like of what you believe in, Do they belive that Mohd's message is the same message? they consider islam a new religion invented by Mohd they are indeed on the right course​

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"and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of hem": Allah has commanded the Prophet and all of the Muslims in this verse to believe in what was given to all of the Prophets without differentiating between any of them when He said, "say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us" and finished with, "and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between them." They all come with one same message "The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord and the believers. Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say: We make no distinction between any of His ​

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I checked more than 5 different Tafseers they all explain it in this way =), it is about ''Context'' ​

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*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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wanderingnomad​

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I love both of you my dear brothers​

What Asadluuah said is True, Maybe you misunderstood him, we are not talking about intercedtion like other religions, NO, in day of judgment, Like Asking Allah Please Allah forgive him for such and such, he will talk to Allah directly, what's wrong with that dear brother, [002:255] ...Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? The prophet already had the permission to do so in hereafter ^^ Allah loves the prophet and he will answer him, he will ask Allah to forgive some of Muslims from being punished for such and such. If I am a king and I wanted to punish you for breaking a law, Asadullah knows me, He is my best friend, he came and said: Stevevns forgive him? what's wrong with that? ​

Wrong infos-doesn't present islam at all.​

*Peace and love* ​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Asadullah​

Wa Alaykum Asalam brother, may He bless you too, Amen to that =)​

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Never heard about it. ​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​