Anarchists in black ski masks mimicing big brother

Why do so many self-professed "anarchists" choose to mimic the police state when they should be fighting against its tyranny? Why do they dress in black and wear black ski masks like our militarized police, and sometimes destroy personal property and beat people up like some roid-head who's just came back from Iraq? Why do the anarchists appear to have some sort of obsession with the New World Order and its more fascistic, naziesque traits?

Also, exactly what are the anarchists fighting against, since Bush is just a puppet, and is very low-level compared to those really running things?

And CEO's don't hold the ultimate power in a corporation, its top shareholders do. Many of the top shareholders of the top corporations run this country and its military and government, yet you rarely hear their names mentioned in the news. Are anarchists willing to grow some balls and address the central bankers and their minions who work through groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg Group, whose members work to mold foreign policy behind the scenes?

I am sorry, but the anarchist movement has been infiltrated long ago by the government. The so-called "Battle in Seattle" of 1999 is a living testament to this. Anyone who is a member of the anarchist movement needs to look at what they're chosing to be a part of. You're being played like a violin and it's time you wake up.

 

Get a grip!

You remind me of Chicken Little.

Don't make so much out of so little.

Fashion statements? Property damage? Fights?

Are you that sheltered that you don't know that you'ld see more of that in a single lunch period at an inner-city high-school than you'ld see in ten years hanging-out with so called anarchists?

What anarchists are about is simple.

Anarchists simply oppose hierarchy; top or bottom, if it's hierarchy, they oppose it.

Think about it, without hierarchy, all those little anal-groups that you're so obsessed with couldn't exist in the first place.

And as for cops,

Cops will always take on one disguise or another to play the provocateur.

If it wasn't as an anarchist, it would be as a black-panther, or a biker, or an environmentalist, or what have you.

Cops are cops, and if they want to waste their time trying to infiltrate something, whose movement is no more solid than water, then at least they'll have less time to write parking tickets.

But hey! For a small fee, you could be a full member of the Official Underground Anarchist Movement; complete with an official membership card, an official secret decoder ring, and you can even play first violin.

 

this so called Movement is nothing more than discontented youths with no real agenda, direction or, clue as to how retarded the entire idea for anarchy is.

just a bunch of angry teen-aged boys with nothing better to do an Saturday than to make up a pointless movement that they will all lose interest in the moment the turn like 17.

and how can any person with i IQ higher then 75 believe anarchy can work. no matter what you do if more then 10 humans are together a hierarchy will form if only on the subconscious level of charismatic leaders and submissive personalities.

 

i should like to specify that i did not mean these comments in relation to all anarchist but only to those who wear black ski mask, destroy personal property without reason, and bandy about a false revolution without any real idea of what anarchy is.

basically i was talking about American teenage boys who wear about ten million band patches on the sleeveless denim jacket with their red Mohawks spiked up. who also think anarchy is about violent removeal of any and all control over the people and know nothing about the real thoughts about personal liberty and responsibility behind it.

 

You're hardly more than a teenager yourself, so it's understandable that you would be preoccupied with the teenage anarchist poseur fad.

But teenage fads come and go, so don't take it so seriously.

After all, it' only natural for teenagers to have poseur tendencies, because teenagers are still exploring the potential of their identities.

Moreover, we should encourage teenagers to explore the potential of anarchism, because, even as a poseur, a little seed may still be planted that someday might blossom into a profound understanding of an alternative non-hierarchical way of life.

 

My dear Rat

You seem to imply that anarchists hide behind masks

But they actually are willing to talk openly and honestly about their political views.

You on the other hand you seem to be neither open nor honest.

So why are you hiding behind the black ski mask of silence Rat?

I mean you claim to be against the rich and powerful but the only politics you have praised is right wing libertarianism and those policies would greatly increase the power of the rich.

(PS: The Rat thread is still active the questions asked of you still remain unanswered, please pop by and we can talk)

 

i understand the view points of REAL anarchist and i hoped not to offend with previous comments. i my self am a socialist and as such share many ideals about freedom and the possibility of a class-less state of community. i personally feel that a world without hierarchy is impossible if only on the level of personal emotion. a man can hold no official office and no title or wealth and he can still hold the hearts of his fellow man and make followers of them all. personally i don't believe humans are capable of a anarchist state but i wish you luck for you have more faith in humanity than I.

i agree that teens should be encouraged to study alternative social systems. but all to often these young people get caught up in the ideas of violent revolution and "smashing the state" this often leans to behavior that reflects badly upon these held beliefs.

that is what i wanted to say in so many words thank you.

 

In other words, you've got nothing new to say...

Just the same ol' "wake up anarchists" rhetoric minus any credible examples of whatever the hell you're talking about...

 

Never heard of any hierarchy at a dead show. And how many people were there? But then again, maybe that only goes to show that Anarchy could only work if people are united by a common cause.

 

anarchy doesn't have to "work". it is simply the abscence of everything else that also doesn't "work" either. anyone coercing anyone into or out of anything isn't anarchy in the truest sense of the word, in as much as an-archy is the complete abscence of ALL hierarchy, and anyone coercing anyone into or out of anything is itself, inhierently, hierarchal. so to call harmful acts against anyone "anarchy" is quite simply dishonest and feeding a vested propiganda delusion.

real anarchy is when people didn't crash into each other when the street lights weren't working, nor go arround luting each other's homes, when infrastructure was essentialy disfunctional in the immediate aftermath of the loma-prieta earthquake on the san francisco peninsula a few years back.

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So becuase they dress the simular...they MUST be the same OMG

 

It is very very difficult for people in the USA to grasp the full implication of anarchism because it is a European movement that is very much alive. The rebellion amongst youth in the USA are more likely to identify with NRA or libertarianist values or fascism. They seem at best to view anarchism as a cause that wants chaos and no government. They identify it with lawlessness but that is a wrong way to look at it. The point being that. In London, and Berlin, and especially in many Northern spanish towns and cities (where anarchists actually started and fought a civil war) it is understood much better. Britain has a strong tradition of anarchism going back to the Levellers in the mid to late 17th century (1620's t0 about 1690's) and throughout the 18th century. the 19th century actually saw anarchist terrorists in London but during the early - mid 20th century two world wars with Britain at the centre of them put paid to that.
In the late 20th century anarchism in britain arose to form a huge impact on British society from 1975 to 1980 and that is still reverberating now. It is difficult for Americans to understand the influence narchism has had on European society because it mainly transforms attitudes rather than fights civil wars. Spain was different though. In Britain the punk movement spearheaded a revival of dadaist concepts and promoted The Situationist International.
Now there is a new situationist international, and it is deeply covert as infiltration of subversive groups is a key element of the state. There are REAL anarchists - go to spain and see in the villages their flags and slogans - you realise they are seperatists. They teach other anarchists about new tactics. Anarchists are and were behind all the mass demonstrations and rioting at the world trade organisation and world bank meetings when 1/4 to half a million people were rioting at nearly every meeting. To see what anarchists really look like find film from those times. Anarchists also adopt a non persnal violence policy so will usually only fight representatives of the state.
THE NEW SITUATIONIST INTERNATIONAL IS THE NEW ONE TO LOOK OUT FOR
as it truly is international.
BTW youre not CIA or a fascist are you? they put bullshit like you just wrote on the net all the time !!!
If you want a true concept of anarchism I suggest that you realis in Europe it is mainly seen as the agitator brigade, in other words anarchism flourishes when there really is something to worry about and the state ignores it. they are the ones who really do believe they can win against the state because they dont believe in forming a state - they dont fight fire with fire.
they talk a totally different rhetoric - the rethoric of the barricades
and once they have won against the state that is it ! they will help form a new society and fight it if it becomes intollerable.

 

basically like angry hippies

 

Hi people!
What about the Zapatistas? Non european anarchists wearing balaclavas. For Zapatistas this has the benefit that anyone of them can 'be' Sub Comandante Marcos (their figurehead and semi mythical representative) and give speaches on their behalf. Of course they must protect their identities, so as not to get murdered by secret police. In firstworld countries we are alowed a greater level of dissent within boundaries, but here too cops take photos on demos, in the current climate of fear i can understand people wishing to diguise themselves.
By the way there was a brilliant documentary radio programme on radio 4 (UK) last week. Three intelectuals discussing the history of anarchist ideas, it's really, really worth a listen, be the best informed anarchist on your street! find it on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history..._20061207.shtml
you'll feel like the heir to a proud tradition!
Hey to the nay sayers:- Everyday you can see many examples of people organising themselves without need for coersion, walking down the street, people move out of eachothers way and to some extent co-operate. Co-operation and empathy is the norm in human activity, this is why we have to be forced to compete in this society. Anarchy is all around us in little ways, we have to grow it.