Do you think Theyll make ethanol a fuel soon

Discussion in 'Alternative Technologies' started by Dylanchick0113, Apr 21, 2006.

  1. Dylanchick0113

    Dylanchick0113 Member

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    Ive heard a new story about people being able to use ethanol for fuel for running your vehicle,,,,I wonder,,Will I be able to convert my microbus when they comeout with a new fuel>????
     
  2. drumminmama

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    ethanol is already in production and has been used at least a decade in blends. mostly a 10-90 split.
    when E100 hits, I beleive conversion kits (retrofit) will be available.
    One question to ask if the VW is air cooled is if the fuel burns at a close enough temp to the gasoline.
     
  3. Dylanchick0113

    Dylanchick0113 Member

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    I would buy A conversion kit for that in a heartbeat
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    what year do you have?
     
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    Air cooled?
     
  7. Dylanchick0113

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    Yupp Air cooled
     
  8. Gh0sTiNnyc

    Gh0sTiNnyc Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    my friend... made a home built water cooling system on his bus.

    made a weave on interlocking copper and steel piping wraped in the pits of the fins. then hooked it up to a waterpump and mounted a small radiator underchasis kind of hanging...

    worked pretty damn well for about 5 years till our amatuer welds began to leak.
     
  9. drumminmama

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    talk with a mechanic. I'm thinking I read that E100 and even high blends ran hotter, a trouble sign for air cooled and four bangers both.
    far easier(esp in Okla) would be to sell the micro and grab a late 80s diesel Jetta/ Rabbit/ whatever diesel and get a veggie conversion kit.
     
  10. Dylanchick0113

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    Just a question,,,,but if I convert where will I get my fuel you guys???? I mean say Im travelin cross country,,, run outta fuel in denver,,,, where would ya go ??
     
  11. Dylanchick0113

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    Wow that water cooling idea s pretty wild,, very cool,,, maybe something like that would work on mine,,,i have all the welding equipment here,,,
     
  12. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    My information sources are that up to 25% ethenol /75% gasoline (petrol) blend will work in any internal combustion engine without modification. To run 100% ethenol, larger jets are required for the carburettor.
    As for over heating you could try either making the fuel mixture richer or try hooking up some electric cooling fans to blow on to the cooling fins on hot days. Some experimentation would be required.
     
  13. drumminmama

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    which fuel chica? Bio d or ethanol?
    You'd sort of have to map it out..unless you ran straight veggie oil.. that's a beg at fast food/restaurants sort of thing.
     
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    Does someone know where I can learn how to convert my vehicle to run on veggie oil? I think independence from oil is important and I want to do my part!
     
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    i did a 4 page process essay on how to convert a diesel engine to run on veggie oil.
    its really not complicated, you just have to do it rite or else you fuck up your car.
    and i got a b+. stupid teacher, i deserved an A. i only got a b+ cuz i didnt do reseach notecards.
    anger.
    anger.
    convert your car if you have a diesel engine.
     
  17. brownxfoot

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    there's a guy in LA who converts cars to pure veggie oil that will pretty much run on soy oil from the grocery store but one of the drawbacks or advantages depending on how you look at it is your car will smell of fries. one of the school districs in AZ actully outfitted it's entire bus fleet with this tech.
     
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    what do you mean they and soon? ethanol has been being produced for decades. you can even get it from the pumps at some gas stations. likewise biodiesel.

    do you mean will it become massively cheaper and more abundantly available? or some big breakthrough in cost and efficiency of production methods? or even just market shifts do to shifting and increased deman?

    the last of those is as inevetable as it is inevetably a long term proposition.
    the other two are possible but by no means certain.

    after market carburator conversion kits for burning ethanol have been on the market for decades too. i haven't looked in a j.c.witney catalogue in ages but i'd be very suprised not to find them there.

    this isn't a total solution for all the problems created by auto dependence as a primary means of transportation nor for the use of combustion as a primary means of generating electrical energy and propelling transportation.

    nor can any fuel or fuel scheme be. but it is something to burn if and when gas become scarce and expensive, as has been done in times and places past when it has.

    INCLUDING even in the land that gave birth to that volksvagon back when it was being the international aggressor more then half a century ago. (you never read about that in history???)

    =^^=
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  19. bamboo

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    Warner von Braun solved the temp problem with alcohol when developing the V2 rocket in germany in WWII. To reduce the temp of combustion so as to reduce erosion in the rocket engine and to make the ethanol a better coolant (we don't do this in cars) they added....WATER. The ethanol used in the V2 was a 75/25 alcohol water blend. In automobiles this blend would be too wet, however it is not inconceivable that an 85/15 or 90/10 or 95/5 blend could be used. This would increase corrosion in parts of the fuel system and the exahust but the added water would reduce the temp of operation and add to the moles of generated gases that drive the pistons without increasing the amount of combusted material. Even jet engine such as those on the B52 bomber inject water into the engine to increase the moles of exhausted gasses to increase thrust.
     
  20. bamboo

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    Brazil has been using ethanol produce from the sugar cane and sugar refining industry for years...look it up.
     

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