Hey all Let me share this website with you.. it's a pretty good start if you're interested in wicca or something close to it. There is also a forum, which isn't really busy, but it is pretty serious. The website is a 'counter movement' against the 'fluffy bunnies': the wannabe wicca's who only call themselves that because it looks cool and you get to wear pentagrams that'll freak out your christian parents, do 'magick' and oh yeah.. burning times never again! Anyways.. it's worthwhile to check it out: http://wicca.timerift.net/ Let me know what you think!
Great Web site!!! Some of my beliefs are pagan, and I often find myself frustrated by the fluffy bunnies.
Fab site, very informative and it looks great I can see how the fluffy bunnies can be annoying (having experienced it with hippy wannabes) maybe they are just young and need setting straight. TTFN Sage
Thats an interesting article, its funny that you posted it, I saw this http://www.witchvox.com/words/words_2004/e_hdtbt.html on www.witchvox.com today and its about the same thing but from a different point of view.
thanks for posting... I like this quote from the site: Thought of the moment: We will not be taken seriously until the "Dungeons and Dragons," crunchy-granola, white-light-fuzzy-bunny, weirdo thing is dropped by those who are already out! We will all be victimized until pagans stop conducting themselves in public in ways that may be considered odd or anti-social. ... There were enough NON-pagans martyred for social and political reasons during the burning times that we need ZERO pagan martyrs today. Today we need strength.
I have to deal with the "fluffy bunnies" as well. I'm 16 and have been practicing Wicca for 7 years! At first, I think I would be considered a "fluffy bunny" I was new to the craft and was only attracted to the "magick" part, but as I grew up and studied it more, I started to trust and believe what I knew about it. Maybe it's not that they are just jumping on the band wagon, however many are, maybe they are ment to be wiccans and this is just there beginning of there calling. That's how I looked at it when I started. It takes time, I guess if someone grows up as a wiccan they become jaded by the fact of how persuasive the religion can be, many christians convert to wicca and paganism because it is much more understandable than many other religions. Anyway, I kind of got off topic. So, I'll close! Peace and PLUR
The page is good, but don't put to much into the hitorical pages. He has some misguided info. December
1.He "claim" just because something is not written down it could not have happened. So the pagans didn't have a written language. Wrong Romans, Greeks & Egyptians did have the knowledge of written word. Egyptians and Greek have much proof of their existence. Yes, they were pagan too not just the Druids. Christians the early one did however lack the written word. LOL I highly doubt an early Christian could translate the Torah for it's Hebrew. 2. This whas my good friend Luna's response: Sadly, I find this site to be VERY negative. It seems the author's former anger at the church and dogma has not really dissipated over time (as is implied many times over), it's just morphed into anger at the Wiccans who are "bringing it down." Tsk, tsk. I agree the "fluffy bunnies" can be very annoying. I hate the fact that telling someone you're Wiccan conjures images of Buffy and Charmed. However, we need to keep this in perspective. These teenagers and others, while young, perhaps naive, etc., are nonetheless getting themselves aquainted with the religion, no? Honestly, I think we should refer to them as prefects; "fluffy bunny" is quite derogatory. They're sort of "in training." The necessary darkness that happens to us all at some point will eventually visit upon them and they they will seek the force of the dark mother/father. All things happen in time. Quite frankly I think it's good to play up the positive aspects of this religion to draw initial interest, considering it's history of misinformation. And perhaps instead of insulting them all, you could take one under your wing and teach them the ways of balance. And, unfortunately, while there are nuggets of good information in this site, I have to agree with the person who posted on 9/16. What are your qualifications? What is your education? All of your footnotes are from very independent sources--where are educational texts of historical accuracy? I heavily studied Religion in college, esp. Eastern religions, and after only a 20 minute stroll through this site I could pull about 3 texts off my shelf to prove several points wrong or moot, based on archeological findings and historical texts. And to be honest, most of this site is about semantics. For example, the whole "we're not goddess worshippers" is most definitely a moot point. If you worship goddesses, then you can rightfully be called a goddess-worshipper... this does not negate or exclude the fact that you worship gods... and isn't this the point you ultimately make in the end? I got a little dizzy from all the circular logic. And as far as disinformation goes, here's another example--the reason that Christmas and the Winter Solstice are celebrated together is not because it was actually Jesus's birthdate. Historians pretty much agree at this point that Jesus was born in the Spring. It is celebrated at the Winter Solstice because this was the symbolic birth of the "Sun/(Son)" god, and when the Roman Empire under Constantine mandated Christianity as the official religion, they just combined the two. This was done at the Council of Nicea. (The Story of Christianity, Vol. 1, Justo Gonzalez) And yes, I learned natural elements of witchcraft and pagan living, including lunar farming and divination, from my Irish grandfather, even though he was technically "Christian." These were family tradtitions, etc. Who are you to say that these weren't practices carried down through countless generations? Pagan means country dweller. I came from the country, witchcraft has largely been an oral, family tradition, has it not? And yes, it's practices are indeed based on pre-Christian practices of living more in tune with nature. Trying to sever witchcraft or Wicca's ties with ancient country dweller's practices of lunar farming, divination, and deity-worship is not just spiteful, it's downright ignorant. I will be happy to provide my name and email by private email, despite what your Guestbook assumes, I'm just not dumb enough to post it here for spam lists. There is much of Air and Fire on this site, and they are dangerous in combination and certainly out of balance. You should learn to practice the balance of yin and yang (or however you want to refer to it) as you so preach. After all, the Fluffy Bunnies aren't victimizing us according to your self-professed philosphy, we're doing it to ourselves, right (through sites like this)? Peace, December
December: Wow, quite some text.. thanks, very thought provoking.. I often check their forum and I don't really like the atmosphere there.. I like the vibe over here far more.. Looking forward to read more of your thoughts here!
December; Have you read Triumph of the Moon or Pagan Religions of the Brittish Ilses both by Ronald Hutton? I would love to hear your take on them. Personally, in regards the whole 'oral thing', it's that you can't verify somehing without some proof and the first Wiccans to go public, like Gerald Gardner, Alex Sanders and Robert Cochrane, hurt themselves alot by falsifying information--- it's hard to take someone seriously after they have been caught in a few lies. To complicate matters Margaret Murray's work is no longer viable, in one important way at least by no fault of her own. (At least one of her major sources turned out to be a forgery), but her now debunked theory was the impetus for Wicca's claim for Stone Age decent in the 1950's. ~Scrap
I have read Ronald Hutton. But anything can be learned in a text book you know? If you were to go to the West coast of Ireland or someplace tucked away in the mountains and just talk to some elders, It's amazing what you may learn. My Grandmother still speaks Gaelic! I was raised pagan not Wiccan so I am loth to criticizes those who practice it. But I am willing to point out some obvious mistakes. I have spoken to some Wiccans and who insist you must open and close a circle and end every ritual with Blessed Be. I said not unless your a Mason because that is where Gerald Gardner took it from. (of course Mr. Gardner was basically a horny old man who wanted to see people naked) ;-) December
THANK YOU! I forgot about this hilarious website.... It makes me feel better! "Never again the Burning Times!!" oy...
There is a difference between being young and/or new to the craft and being fluffy. I have met people who are over 50, have been practising the craft for ages and are fluffy as shit! See these websites for clarification: http://www.davensjournal.com/index.htm?WMaF.xhtml&2 http://www.davensjournal.com/index.htm?TOC.htm&1
I was quite fluffy to being with, but thankfully I grew out of it. I suspect a lot of pagans go through the fluffy phase at some stage
