You people are so gullible

science cannot come close to grasping the true nature of gravity...there is still no true definition of gravity

 

It was an analogy. I'm talking about the every-day definition of gravity, not the Einstein definition.

Anyway, just because our current scientific capabilities can't explain it doesn't mean that it won't ever be solved by science.

Everything in this world can be explained by science and reason. Psychics employ neither and rely on the gullibility of others.

 

oh yeah? Whats the principle of cohesion then?

Hitler also had a fortuneteller, what happened in the end? Maybe his fortuneteller was sent in by the Brits?

What is determinant in making one fortuneteller better over others?

Why dont these fortunetellers gather and rule the world?

Why dont they win all the lotteries? Maybe at least, the ones that help criminal investigations can win huh?

Or maybe they already rule but it's one of those "hush!!!" explanations of yours.

 

Why is this a huge, angry argument? Kandahar, did you get cheated by a "psychic" or something, and now you wish to seek revenge by way of pissed-off rantings? Why does this matter to you so much? You have to rant on and on and on about how fake or stupid things are? Can't you see how rude and closed-minded you are sounding?

In my opinion, most psychics such as Miss Cleo and the like are just out for money. But that doesn't mean that all psychic ability is fake. I'm not saying I believe in everything that's put out there, but I'm not going to automatically shove things aside because they seem unlikely and unsound. I believe that the real psychic abilities exist in ordinary people, in small or varying amounts.

I've had some experiences with this issue. For example, remember a few years ago, when George Harrison of the Beatles died of cancer? A few nights prior to that happening, I'd had a dream of his death. Kinda freaky, hearing about his death after dreaming of it. I've had several other dreams that ended up showing what was going to happen. I also have a knack for knowing what people are going to say. It's weird; sometimes things just pop into my head right before people say them. These things don't happen all the time, but enough for me to recognize them.

 

And why are you on this topic anyhow, if you are obviously too skeptical to care about the possibilities? Are you trying to change everyone's views on this topic, or are you just trying to annoy anyone who will listen because no one in the real world cares about what you have to say? You're giving a bad name to science.

 

I think he's one of those forum posters that just tries to contradict everyone and piss people off. I just like argueing w/ them once in awhile for fun just to see how ignorant people can be

 

There are psychics out there. Lord Science doesnt know SHIT about the universe and the infinite universe. They make a bunch of theories, and hypothesis but they really dont know. That is why you have so many scientists that are in disagreement.

You really should read some of Steven Hawking's work, Einstein's, The Vedas, and even I CHING.

Psychics are out there. They exist, and just because you have encountered frauds in your experience as human, is just a manifestation of your own self loathing, and confusion. Your stuck on something in your life and you are in denial. Until you move on spirtually and begin to understand there is more to life than a text book, things beyond words beyond anything you can comprehend maybe a true Shaman will appear. Who knows.



PS: Einstein used to go into hours of trance like states. Drool and snot running down his face he had to wear a bib. Where did he go???

 

The best teacher you will ever know is yourself

 

"Anyway, just because our current scientific capabilities can't explain it doesn't mean that it won't ever be solved by science."

hm...sounds funny for you to say that... so...WHY cant the psychic prospects of life be someday proven by "science"?

so...Did science ever prove that dreaming existed? (not sure if it was or not) but anyway..Doesnt mean we dont dream, am I right? how bout deja vu? Was that ever proven? Does that mean its not real? What about god? (I personally am not christian or anything) Can science prove that? Aliens, there's no such thing? I guess we are the only things living out there...(I doubt that)

well I seen your comment in "TO a sister.." Your pretty fucking rude man...Oldcrone is who she is. Whatever she chooses to do is her choice. And what you said about her...I personaly think you shouldnt be talking.

IF your just here to be rude to people, its your choice...Your just going to upset people. Unless thats what you want, You seem to find it amusing. Some people crave the fight and drama...I have no tolerance for it.

Its raining...How's the weather at home? lol

 

Okay okay, i see where you're going with this......Doesn't mean i agree, but i know what points you've been trying to get across.

Clairvoyancy.....(spelling?) what about that? Do you believe there is such thing?

 

this is all crazy, there is never going to be anything mysteriouse in this would! stop wreking it!

 

(Don't come in here but saw the topic and started reading) Anyway what's so bad about what people believe? Unless they're forcing you to believe in the metaphysical then don't worry about it. Let people be as "gulliable" as they wish to be. If you don't exactly like it then don't go into the onto threads like these. Let people believe what they want to believe. I have to say I agree with you on the whole "psychics" thing. But I do keep an open mind for SOME things. Not exactly agreeing this is the best way to bring it across to these people in the least however.

 

newho
who wants chocolate

 

Chocklet yes

science is neither more nor less then asking questions honestly
methodologys for doing so may have grown quite complex and to the
outside may seem cumbursome.

it does not claim to encompass all or to be the limits of anything
it only addressess what falls within the scope of objective methodologies
it makes no claim as to what else may or may not exist

this claim and pretense that it does is a straw dog set up by those
who feel, generaly mistakenly, that they have a vested intrest
in discrediting the concept of honest objective enquiry

it neither confirms not denies the potential existence of a third
order on intangablitiy.

nothing HAS to exist. nothing has to not exist. nothing has to be infallable to do either.

of course we live in a bigger universe then all the questions
all the humans who have ever lived on the face of this planet put togather
and the universe we can see with our eyes and examine with our tecnologies may very well be and probably IS 'the tip of a much larger iceberg'

that doesn't invalidate in any way shape or manor what we can!

far from never existing exoticness will always exist
but imposing names and deffinicians on what we know we don't know, we know is speculation.

why not instead of scapegoating real science for a crime it does not commit
simply accept that there will always be more of existence then there are
any of us to know?

both science and a much larger and more diverse universe then it addressess are valid. there is no conflict in this. except in the minds of those who choose to invent one for their own questionable ends

as for being gullible;
that is half the nature of our species.
the other half of every last one of our individual and collective natures
is creativety
and it is only the later
that is so far demonstratably unique to our species on our planet

=^^=
.../\...

 

Kandahar, the only ignorant one here, is you, my friend.

 

Kandahar may be two apples short of a bushell. A real nut job.

 

no name calling or judgements of wisdom here.



In the jungles of africa a bush man will tell you to fly with metal wings is not do-able. The aborginies will laugh at a man who sits in front of a small box watching reruns. To him tv does not make sence or exist. To a chief in the amazon jungles anybody is entitled to his beliefs knowing as you believe so shall it be.

But oddest of all the gods will tell you when a mans faith is shaken from the inside his first reaction is to hold on by shooting down all that does not square with his reality. This does not make him wrong or right. This does not mean reality for one may not be very different for another.

When we can have the courage to open our understandings and embrace the balance of all wisdoms...we may just learn that the simple is obvious, and the complexity of what seems unreal is truth on some level we have not dared yet to look into.

 

As the people say ,

PEACE

 

Quote:

""""I would be evry grateful for someone to explain these things logically to me because it would be a lot less scarey. """"

Hi Casey

I refer to this as the closet, or wardrobe effect. When my girls ask me how psychic images work, and how not to get freaked out about it. So let me ramble here a bit while I explain.

The emotional attachment, expectations, and fears or the assumption this all is for a purpose for the ego, can drive you into the wow, or phenomenology and a lost over view.

We had this walk in closet, and often one daughter would stand for what seemed an hour trying to decide what fit, looked good, or was "Right" for the mood she was in. The other daughter would often grab something, and run with it not wanting to waist time with missing life. The third daughter planned ahead, and mostly never changed her mind. Nothing wrong with either approach just very different results.

The first was never sure or satisfied, and full of doubts. The second often left something behind, and needed to back up, or make another trip to the closet. The third often found she did not always trust her instincts, and found change hard, or knowing what to accept on the spur of the moment seemed impossible.

Taking this over into the seeing, knowing, and or “Information that comes through we all come from our own internal dialog, and color the awareness with the mind, emotions, and desires. So what you see is colored by your own knowing, and yet sometimes lack of understanding as the emotions get involved . Those that get freaked out are coming from their own space, and often fear what they do not understand, or dismiss what they have no habit, or program for. Sometimes we are just in the moment of a vibration of energy that moves with the circumstances, and opens windows of seeing.

So simply put information, and all knowledge is there as the clothes in the closet. How we approach them does effect the results. There are levels, (we put on) or into this acceptance, and understanding. The more you become familiar with the closet the more you know what is there. Thus different levels of knowing happen. We can use this information in layers, or in perception, and embrace the results without attachments, or we can get attached, and form habits that are seemingly incomplete.

An example that might help. My daughter who grabbed, and ran went off with her friends to the mall and movies. About 45 minutes away. They saw the last show and headed home. No one had a phone and on the express way the car broke down. Steam was coming from under the hood. The driver turns to my daughter and says, “Hey do that thing your mom does.” My daughter went quiet, and just called my name from inside her. She sent me a mental image of the car, and sign near by. This took all of five minutes. One of her other friends said, “This is too weird.” They got out of the car while my daughter sat still with her eyes closed. Another friend kept saying, “Oh wow, Oh wow. Does this really work.” I sent a mental picture back to my daughter, and she KNEW help was on the way. They all joked and waited. I called the nearest police station and said, We needed assistance, and told them where the car, and kids were. When the officer drove up behind the kids he said it was a good thing they had called me as they had already passed this place, and would not have come back until the next shift. They all laughed, and made it home safe, and sound. My daughter knew she could count on me hearing her. This takes vulnerability and trust. Her friends were just desperate, and the wow was left to the This is freaky. A week later no one talked about this as if it had not happened. My daughter forgot all about this as we communicated like this and it was as natural as breathing. We each find ways to deal with not only the seeing, and the ramifications, or ripples of that seeing. Sometimes just not dealing with them is part of the blocks, or doors used to cover what we can not explain.

So the seeing is no big deal. When working on investigations you join not only the seeing but the slide show pictures that go through, the energy, and the feel, smells and hearing. You also step back from the emotional attachments, and become the receiver. But like a phone when the connection is finished let the moment go and hang up. To stay on the energy wave often leads to false information, bad receptions, and doubts or that feeling you are going crazy that clings to you.. You become anxious and unsure not always knowing what to do with the information. What you do is send positive energy, and let go. Hang up. Should you ever be asked share the information, and then hang up, and let go of the attachment. Like my daughter did when she Knew I heard her.

We all sense things on different levels. We all deal with this in very different ways. The key is the deeper you know your own heart, and being true to yourself you will see, and know others with a sensitivity that is whole, not cluttered. The knowledge is always there. How we respond, and deal with that knowledge, and or information can change the truth. That is why many psychics appear false. They are in their own way. Also not everyone wants to know. When ego becomes the ally the emotional attachment is not worn , just understood. No biggie as my daughter would say. No biggie…. things just are as we learn to believe, and trust in ourselves, and the universe around us.

 

views the world you will have twice as many stories told.

Hi Greatyannick

We create our own fate so to speak. All things that come to us are lessons we draw unto ourselves. So how ever you see the energy will become tainted by the way you see in that moment.

Not all people who go to psychics are desperate.

Not all who claim to know it all know.

Where there is truth there is also fraud. (Balance)

There is a post in science and tecnology titled sixth sence I believe with a link worthy of reading. The whole post is for that matter.

Oh, by the way we are our own healers first inside. The chaos we help create is a distraction and often emotional attachment that leaves us excuses for not finding our own center and what it means to be true to our own hearts.

To argue this matter is like verbal masterbation without a climax.

The only way to know is to leave yourself no room to lie to yourself, or to make excuses for what may be real, or for what you fear, and do not even know why.

The bottom line, As you believe so shall it be.

The truth is we are dancing on the tip of an ice berg that we have yet to explore without human judgement.

Just wondering if we had the courage to swin as one mind what we might be able to understand and or come to know.

If a child born blind never see's light does that mean light does not exist?

If a man is told he is a god and he does not understand how that can be does that make him not a god?

and yes that was energy that is attached to meditation that is built on over the centuries. Many places are considered power places for just such a reason. We can open too, or shut down as we choose.

As a friend once said to me, Do dismiss something as impossable just because you choose, or seemingly can not do it, or understand it.

Life is a possability and an opportunity and is what you make of it. Gotta have faith and trust. Then comes the work. God, who knew wisom comes at a prices. Wisdom changes our parameters and walls. Do we dare let that happen to know a thing is real?