So Basically Isreal invaded Lebonon..

& Blew up Numerous Roads, Bridges & Power Stations in order to chase down Hezbollah Militants who apparently work with Iran & Syria to Destroy & Destabilize Israel.

At the same time U.S. Pressure is stepped up on Iran about rocket activity..


At the same time Hamas & Islamic Jihad Are in Palestine battling occupation forces thus pissing off majority of the Muslim world & ramping up recruitment efforts by Islamic Militias.


How long till Iran and Syria "Attacks" Israel Directly?


How long till America Defends Israel with ground & Air forces?




This new conflict is a Direct result of the Destabilization of the region through the invasion of Iraq & the Failure to Capture Osama Bin Laden who's current freedom is a smack in the face of the United States.


I'm calling My Prediction first..

The next phase of Bush's Region destabilization fuck up war will look like this:


Isreal, United States & Britain

-V.S-

Iran, Syria & Lebanon/Hezbollah



Pretty Obvious.. the Question is.. what other Wild cards can be drawn. Whats other Muslim Country will enter this conflict.. Should make for an interesting end to 2006
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Actually, this is all leading up to the invasion of Iran and/or Syria.

 

It was all set up. Don't think it was a random act because its never a random act.

 

Yeah, of course it was set up. They are using the kidnapping of a couple Israeli soldiers to justify an all-out war, which Israel and the US neocons have been wanting for years. They're already trying to sell us propagnada that the kidnapped soldiers were sent to Iran, which is ridiculous, but we know where it's leading.

Israel has literally HUNDREDS of Palestinean prisoners, but apparently it's all right for Israel and not all right for the Palestineans. Just like when Israel terrorizes the Palestineans it's ok, but when the Palestineans do it, it's another story.

That's because the Zionist-controlled media has the people brainwashed that the murdering Israelis are the good guys, when Israel is nothing more than a terrorist thug nation rooted in corruption and lies.

 

I'm not very smart on politics to be completely honest, all I know is it breaks my heart, and in all honesty, I think that's all that matters.

I saw a headline under the news coverage that read "Peace progress "dead"" I almost literally started crying.

I want to educate myself so I can do more, and better understand it and what could be done to help.

 

Then understand Apples that there never was a "peace process". That is nothing but a long-running soundbite whose actual meaning is a process to humiliate and pressure the Palestinians into complete surrender and subjugation. The aim for Israel, and that being according to the Zionist ideology which underlies every facet of Israeli society and political motivation, has always been to eradicate the indigenous people of the land and consolidate all the territory under its control.

The central doctrine of "greater Israel" is as dispicable and colonialistic in its origins as that perpetrated by other similar ideological groups born in that era (i.e. Naziism and Apartheid). All are alike in their notions of singular group exceptionalism from all accountability and racist paranoid hatred of those they deem subhuman. For Nazis it was Jews, for Apartheid it was blacks and for Zionists (which must be distinguished as an extremist ideological subset of "Jews" as it is not solely a Jewish movement) it is all Arab peoples, Arab Jew, Christian and Muslim alike.

I suggest you read up on the ideology itself before attempting any examination of the history of the conflict, such contextualisation is necessary in order to put the whole matter into proper perspective.

An excellent analytical report on Zionism itself and the depth of its institutionalised discrimination, militancy and hatred can be found here.

A good primer which dispels many mainstream myths about the conflict itself and its origins can be found here.

 

End times:X

 

I want to educate myself so I can do more, and better understand it and what could be done to help.

I have a few suggestions, you can take or leave them...

1) Know the world map (I wouldn't bother with the Pacific island nations, or the various dots of land in the Caribbean, however). http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/index.html

2) Be sure you know the names of both of your Senators, and your rep in the House. Get their contact information, and be prepared to use it.

3) Familiarize yourself with the Bush White House. Know the name and title of every member of his cabinet. Know the congressional leaders' names. Learn the names of the Justices of the SCOTUS and who appointed them.

4) Familiarize yourself with logical fallacies, both formal and informal. A class in Logic or Critical Thinking will help a lot.

5) Avoid most television and radio news. PBS and the BBC are both pretty good, but the best info comes from

Doing this will make it drastically easier to digest, filter, and make sense of the news. Since not even one percent of Americans are so prepared, you won't often lose a debate/argument unless you're dealing directly with a professional politician or pundit. Just some ideas, take 'em or not!

 

Lickherish, that's an excellent post, and I would hightly recommend the links you provided as an equally excellent left-of-center Jewish perspective of the history behind the Arab/Israeli conflict.

They didn't however, mention that Israel is NOT a creation of Jewish Zionism, but rather the creation Evangelical Christian Zionism.

Both Balfour and Lloyd George were only the tiny tip of a huge Evangelical Christian Zionist ice berg that had been pushing the creation of Israel since 1800.

Bigger today than ever, this Christian Zionist glacier is relentlessly supporting Israel to force the fulfillment of the Biblical Prophecy of Armageddon.

 

I remember hearing that somewhere m6m, very interesting, but you still can't deny the evil of the high positioned christians and the zionists in our and other governments.

 

I limit my use of the term Zionist strictly to those who promote the resurection of a Jewish State in Palestine.

Under that strict definition, Evangelical Christain Zionists are the prime movers, while Jewish Zionists are mere the willing pawns.

But yes, today even more than ever, there are Christian Zionists such as Mr. Bush, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and many many others.

They seem to be coming out of the wood-work these days.

However, because I see the psycho-dynamics behind our motivations, and the biological determinism of human behavioral patterns, I prefer NOT to use the term EVIL.

 

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This is a load of BS. Its well know that Christian Zionists are the pawns. Jewish Zionists call the shots since they control the media and congress ( by massive campaign donations to compliant politicians). Nice try at spinning things...

Read :
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

and the power of the Jewish Lobby
Link
The culture of Critique by Prof Kevin Macdonald
Link

 

Exactly. Like one guy recently said, most accurately, I might add: Britain is America's bitch, and America is Israel's bitch. Very sad but very true.

 

Zionism and Anti-Semitism

from http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are not the saviors of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy Land and worldwide. The idea that Zionism and the State of “Israel” is the protector of Jews is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People. Indeed, where else since 1945 have Jews been in such physical danger as in the Zionist state?!

Jews are enjoined by their religious laws to be loyal to the country of which they are citizens. Ever since the destruction of the holy Temple in Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish People some two thousand years ago, we have been enjoined to be scrupulously loyal to the countries we reside in. One of the great biblical prophets, Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled; verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish morality throughout our history to this very day.

Torah-true Jews wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors in every country among the community of nations, including in historic Palestine. They deplore acts and policies of violence carried out by those who, misusing the name of Israel our forefather, have substituted the ideal of chauvinist nationalism for the eternal values of the Torah, the eternal divinely bestowed inheritance of the Jewish people.

It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.

ANTI-SEMITISM BY POLITICAL ZIONISM

Although Zionists and others dispute it, the undeniable fact is that revolutionary secular and apostate elements in the Jewish community in Europe contributed greatly to hostility towards Jews after World War I. This aroused hatred of Jews in general among many non-Jews. While a prisoner in 1924 in the fortress of Lansberg on the River Lech, Hitler wrote his Mein Kampf. When he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he was assisted by Goebbels, Roseberg and Streicher. From them came the declarations, “The Jews of Germany caused the defeat of Germany in the 1914-1918 war; the Jews of Germany were responsible for the terrible conditions in Germany that followed the war; the Jews of Germany are foreigners and they wish to remain foreigners; they have no loyalty to the country of their birth; they are not human; they are filthy dogs; they have no right to intrude into Germany’s affairs; there are too many Jews in Germany.

As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)​

Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.

So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.​

Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.

In 1920 there were statements hostile to Jews expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that Jews of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the Jews of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the Jews of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.

In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:

“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.​

Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. “They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.”

Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that “Germany… has too many Jews”? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.

How many Zionist Jews know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: “I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying”, it is clear that he had told the truth.

 

Oh, yea those people at www.jewsagainstzionism.com are smart-I like them, and they have the courage to tell it like it is. God bless 'em all. They've been out protesting against the bombing of Lebanon, too. Good for them.

 

Consider this:

The Jewish Homeland in Palestine was the creation of Christian Zionists NOT Jewish Zionists.

It was Christian Zionist William Hechler who convinced the Kaizer and then the Sultan to allow Jews to buy confiscated communal land in Palestine.

While Jewish Zionist Herzl was turned down cold by both.

It was Christian Zionist David Lloyd George and Christian Zionist Arthur Balfour who officially declared Palestine to be the Jewish Homeland, and allowed Jewish imigration to Palestine.

Christian Zionism is centuries old, while Jewish Zionism is very recent.

Jews with any Zionist tendencies at all, were at that time, a tiny minority within world Jewry.

Moreover, they possessed very little power compared to the Christian Zionist Empires.

Nearly all Conservative Christians are Zionists, and collectively they have far more power in the Media and Congress than all the Jews in the world put together.

Moreover, to the Conservative Christian Zionist, the Jews are to burn in hell, and are only useful on earth as props to fulfill the prophecy of Armegeddon and prove the Bible is the word of God.

The pervasive power of Christian Zionism is easy to see, because nearly everyone raised in a Christian Country already has Zionist tendencies.

This is the only reason Israel survives.

 

What are you smoking????? Collectively they have more power in the media and congress than all of the jews in the world put together??? You must really think people are dumb to believe this BS LOL! It is very very very well known that the media is by and large owned and operated by zionist racist jews. Oh, I forgot, you are a jewish genocidal racial supremacist zionist trying to deflect any criticism of Jews (from leftists) for their genocide and nazi-like behavior against the suffering Palestinians and now the Lebonese. You're a troll. People know what's going on.

 

Zionism pervades the mind of our entire Western Civilization.

Bible stories are fundamental symbolic archetypal stories enculturated throughout the entire Western World.

The vast majority of Western people are enculturated with Zionist tendencies, and Conservative Christians tend to be rabid Zionists.

And, since Western Civilization dominates the World, the majority of the World is now enculturated with Zionist sympathies.

Zionism is NOT a Jewish conspiracy any more than it's a Western or Universal conspiracy.

Zionism is NOT a conspiracy at all.

Zionism is simply the Zombies of Western Civilization mechanically following sympathetic tendencies set by enculturated archetypes.

And as far as Jews in the Media, they tend to be the most secular of Jews, and have far less Zionist tendencies than rabid Conservative Christians.

 

I have gotten into this argument on this forum way too many times, and I am tired of it because most of you are completely ignorant of the situation.

The only diplomatic solution for today's conflict would be this:

Lebanon needs to accept the Hizzbolah as a terrrorist organization and banish it from the country with the help of Israeli, US, and NATO forces. Syria and Iran must then be pressured with trade sanctions by the global community to not accept the Hizzbolah into thier countries. The organization would then disolve and the peace process could resume.