Welfare system

Maybe I would agree with you if Welfare actually gave those people adequate money to pay all their bills and their rent. But the amount of money you get from welfare is close to nothing, and although it does suck to pay that money, think about the people who do work and collect welfare, who NEED that money and do work and need it to support their kids, how do you think they feel about those people who are lazy and collect welfare, and have 9 kids and don't do shit, they are probably just as angry as you, the welfare system has its downsides, but I would be willing to pay those people who are lazy and don't work just so the people who DO work and collect welfare also get what they need.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Well Michigan has alot of Car manufacturing jobs doesn't it? I think unions may be to balme for a lack of jobs. Unions are bad for the workers and worse for the employers, that's why cars made in America are more expensive and less efficent.

 

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I doubt if most of the neocon teenagers that post here are actual taxpayers. I also doubt that they have any conception of the realities of poverty, child rearing, etc.

Yes, the system needs to be reformed, but not the Tommy Thompson way. "workfare" was what got him noticed and made him a cabinet member. But the longer term effects of his programs have been unusually harsh and unfair. I shudder when I think about a single mother having to spend helf her day doing back-breaking labor for peanuts only to have to spend most of the rest of her day being bussed hundreds of miles. Meanwhile the kids have no childcare and are much more likely to engage in high risk behaviors.

Does it occur to you people that being a parent IS a job?
The problem with an "every man for himself" philosophy of government is that children and poor single parents can't compete, and they are left out in the cold. We would do better to incorporate a family based philosophy in which child care is the responsibility of the community.

 

kilgore trout, will you marry me?

seriously, i'd like to see some of these anti-welfare & anti-poor posters post some real facts to back up their arguments, instead of pages of hate-fueled racist & classist stereotypes & anecdotal "evidence" about family members/aquaintences etc. who supposedly are abusing the system. everybody "knows" someone or someone else who knows someone who is "abusing the system". most people also "know" people who have seen phantom hitchhikers, been abducted by aliens, or encountered aligators in the ny city sewers. stick with the facts, please!

and how come nobody's complaining about all the "corporate welfare" huge multi-billion dollar companies like phillip morris, monsanto, halliburton, etc get? why does the government need to give grants to multi-billion dollar corporations, when there are working, tax-paying citizens who are ill or dying because they can't get decent health care? where is all the self-righteous outrage over that?!?

 

I have a question..2 actually


1. To these people who feel that the government is giving away their money, do you think that if the welfare system disappeared that you would get "your" money back? Have you met our government? They don't give money back...they put it in there own pockets. And if you still can't sleep at night because the government is giving away "your" money, think of it this way. Every mother that receives welfare knows at least 10 taxpayers ( friends and family) that are completely willing to help her and her children out.
So to help you sleep at night....think of it as their money

2. Why do you consider it only the women's fault? When a mother goes on assistance, she has to sign her right to child support to the agency and then they recoup the money they gave her from the father. They do this even though they got the money as a federal grant and don't have to pay it back. No matter how much they gave out, they are entitled to ALL court ordered child support. Why don't you ask where that money goes? When I was 18, I got a monthly check of $34 to supplement my crappy job at Long John's. I had to assign my child support rights. A year later when I was completely off support and had a better job, child support enforcement got $2500 from my daughter's father. She and I never saw a dime. Funny how they could care less about the child receiving current support....

You can't be that naive. Everything is about money to the government.....yes, even welfare. And then they throw it out to "taxpayers" so the "taxpayers" will get all up in arms about this. While you are yelling about this gibberish, the government is behind you removing your wallet and inserting a spikey dildo......

Wake up, people

Don't let them tell you what to think ALL your life

 

My cousins are in a similar situation right now. When my worthless uncle left his wife to take care of their 2 kids by herself (who are 18 and 20-something now), he disappeared until just a few weeks after the younger one turned 18, then *magically* appeared in an AA program somewhere with a place and a job. So they garnish his wages now for all the unpaid child support that he owes for all those years, but since the kids are now over 18 none of them (or my aunt) actually gets the money. It's supposed to be more of a punishment for him then it is to help her I guess. Doesn't make any fucking sense to me. Welfare, child support, social security in general is a good idea, but the way they go about actually doing it in most places is terrible.

 

Sure. But only if I can sit on my ass, collect welfare, and watch tv all day.

 

*GRRRRR* Instead of just yelling at you, which I really want to do, I am going to recommend a book for you to read.

"AIN'T NO MAKIN' IT" by Jay Macleod.

If you are actually passionate about this topic, at LEAST educate yourself!

Ever hear of social stratification?! There are REASONS why those people cannot get jobs! Those people have a different cultural capital than most jobs require. Really, do you think people actually want to be on welfare?

 

As a tax payer for the last 30 years, I have no problem with the money I pay being used to help those in need. My disgust for the system comes from my experience with those who seem to feel that our society owes them a living. I have been involved with numerious programs over the years designed to help teach others a trade and our failure rate has been historically awful. Many who I have had contact with are completely uninterested in applying themselves yet in the same breath they tell me I'm not doing enough to insure they receive enough money thru the state to comfortably live on. Well in truth, I don't want them comfortable. I would rather they view welfare as a totally last resort as opposed to a long term means of support. I didn't ask any of you to decide to have 3 or 4 kids with a man (or men) who would suddenly refuse to help support your family. You picked him, not me! But if that sort of situation does surface, I'm more than pleased to learn the money I have paid in taxes is being used to help you make a new start. Wonderful!! Thats exactly what I believe the money is for. But don't get on your high horse and tell me I OWE it to you. I OWE you nothing!! I help because I want to not because I have to. If it is felt that you must force me to contribute, you'll get far less from me than if you simply asked for help to ease a temporary situation. In other words, keep on telling me how much I owe you and I'll fight tooth and nail to to keep from giving you anything. Ask for help and I'll fight tooth and nail to provide it.

 

Unions are the only thing keeping the jobs there. If not for the UAW union all the car mfg jobs in Michigan would be in Mexico by now.

 

Hmm, I don't feel anyone owes me a damn thing. My mother had to beg me to get food stamps. She said that I was being too prideful. And I was. I don't like the govt. "giving" me something that I didn't earn. But, she told me that up until now, I paid taxes, too. I still do. The measly 150/month I make as a work/study student (financial aid) gets taxed AND counts as income, so my food stamps decrease. But, whatever.


My family was on welfare back in the mid-late eighties because some company bought my father's company and he got laid-off. I never knew it at the time because I was like 8, but I believe welfare helped us from becoming HOMELESS. So, for that, I am grateful to all you taxpayers who "paid" for me to have a home.

 

Actual the union is not in a postion to keep jobs in our country. That responsibility falls to you and I as consumers. We vote for the economy of our choice everytime we open our wallets. Out sourcing of American middle income jobs will continue to gain popularity as long as you and I continue to support the companys that allow for it. It's not the Wal Marts of the world that are the problem, it's you and I that keep those stores in business. If you really want your vote to count, consider who's economy you are supporting everytime you open your wallet. Vote for the people who live in your neighborhood, vote for the guys in Michigan who are making your next vehicle, vote for the people who's jobs you'd like to see remain in the states. It's easy to point a finger at the goverment for allowing out sourcing but's it really you and I who pay the way for it. Vote everyday!!

 

Story's like that make me proud to have paid every cent I have.

 

Unions are a terrible thing. They totally ruined the car industry, the big 3 can't even compete with japanesse companies anymore. I can almost gaurentee that if we got rid of the unions, wages would go up.