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Not this old hippy either. I will stand in front of your tanks. I will question your sound bites. You little kiddies that want your mp3 players and all the plusses of a good life...you don't ask the questions, you just want your world extended, you don't care who gets killed or who starves you just want your toys. Time to wake up and see what is really important. The sun rising the moon welcoming us in the evening those are the important things.

 

I need clarification--how did the whole spat start in the first place? Of course, how could you get a true answer anywhere...

 

Gardener, your visions are true. But we matter too, and it's hard to make a difference. On one hand, I think the world's going to hell, I want to withdrawal, start my own. On the other, I do want to help. But how many can you help from some of these ruthless heartless killers? Perhaps we should see it as maybe an animal would see it--deaths probably aren't AS important (but they probly don't kill each other as much...?)? Everything happens for a reason, in some cases... But you see, I do care, but it's just that I have conflicting beliefs. Tell us what YOU do.

 

Well, the US could stop all this in a few days if it wanted to, but it doesn't. The US supports what Israel is doing. The US could sponsor a resolution in the UN Security Council to force Israel to stop its aggression, get the resolution passed, and then insist on its enforcement. The US will do nothing of the sort. I believe this is part of a larger plan of the US and Israel to invade Syria and Iran, and these are the first shots in the war. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am.

What can we do? If this was really a democracy, which it isn't, it would still take a mass uprising of people that are against this war and the one in Iraq to effect a change. The vast majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass anyway. But you can make it know that you're for love and not hate, for peace and not war. Let everybody know it. It can be contagious. And you can pray. I sure do it.

Ideotique, the Lebanese girl that started one of the threads protesting the Israeli bombing, went down to help the refugees in her country today. The Israelis have been bombing the refugees, and they might try to drop a bomb on her too. There are even people in her country telling her not to bother helping them, but she's determined to do what she can. I admire her courage. There have been 700,000 people displaced in one week, in a country with a population of 4 million.

 

Stevens - first of all, what kind of Muslim name is Stevens? Are you even for real? My hunch is that you are an American. And if you're scared to admit in a public forum that all non-Muslims must either convert, be killed and are going to hell, please stop calling yourself a real Muslim.



Stevens - Cutting and pasting from our Holy text, doesn't make you a Muslim. You are embarrassing the entire religion. My sincere advice to you is to stop posting here, open a Qu'arn and start reading. Every thing that happens in this world is the explicate will of Allah. The fact that something happens means that He is willing it. What part of this don't you understand? Saying otherwise makes you a heretic. You must open your eyes and realize this is a Divine punishment to our people. Do you think the false savior of the Christians is behind this? The Creator of the Zionists? Don't worship false dieties. Only Allah has control in this world. Repent now.



Furthermore, what satisfaction do you get from posting in a war protest forum on a hippy forum. Preaching to the choir? Great, the hippies want peace. Isn't that wonderful. And they agree that there should be no more war. Wow. And it took 7 pages of responses and 3 different threads to say the same thing. Isn't this wonderful. Congratulations, Stevens.

 

Sorry, I just got off the phone with Allah and he assured me there would be no exceptions to this rule. He said, and I quote "The one's who believe in stem cell research, the rights of gays, and peace shall never be saved." I have it recorded. I can send you a copy. If you can't tell, I'm just hear to question Stevens.

 

NB: Off topic replies are ignored I even didn't read them , Nor I don't know actually if they were written to me or someone else or whateva, it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them ​

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Who is this NB you speak of? And how does peace and love go hand in hand with ignoring people? Perhaps it's time to change that sig. And "whateva" sounds more like a spoiled girl than a Muslim. Just saying. Don't take things so personally. This is an interent forum. It's not real life.

 

Not agreeing with someone and not giving a rat's ass are two different things. Obviously nobody wants war. It just a necessary evil. Always has been and always will be.

 

You're quite mistaken. A lot of people want war, the Israelis, for example. History is littered with people that most certainly did want war, hated peace, and did anything they could to promote those ends.

 

Why is it no one will admit that this is what they beleive. Trust me this is what other religions beleive as well. This is the thinking that will keep all of this going and going. Both sides beleive it. Has for asking Americans for sympathy, I ask have the Israels blown anything up in our country? Nope, then I am still siding with them in this one. When you come out of your own borders to cause civialian death and misery others are sure to pay you a visit. Sad but true.

 

All Muslims are not terrorists. Catstevens has come out repeatedly on this forum, being very much on record as being against terrorism committed by Muslims. Don't lump everybody in one basket. And, as a Christian myself (Lebanese, btw), I am commanded to have compassion on people that suffer, and not just to be concerned about myself. Just because the Israelis haven't attacked the US doesn't mean we should be complacent about the people they have attacked, with our money no less. They are in the process of destroying my ancestral homeland, and are NOT just attacking Muslim resistance groups-they are destryoing the whole infrastructure of the country, and attacking Christian areas just as they are Muslim ones.

Jesus took the whole business of persecuting people personally. He said, 'whatsoever you to to the LEAST of these, you've done it unto me.' Those people are gonna be in big trouble. Is that the American Way, to only be concerned about what happens to us, and not to be concerned about other people that suffer. Not as far as I'm concerned it's not.

 

How many Israeli's have you spoken to regarding this issue, exactly? Most I know hate living in a hostile enviorment.

 

Gays suffer a lot. Are you compassionate towards the rights of gays? Jesus took is personally and so has the Church. Cursades, Inquisition, Holocaust.

 

How many Israelis have I spoken to? Quite a few, actually. The question we were addressing was whether people wanted war, not whether they hated living in a hostile environment. Every country has the right to self-defense, including Israel. But what Israel is doing right now is not an act of self-defense; it is a wholesale aggression against a country, and largely against a population that has had nothing to do with terrorism against Israel. Israel is destroying the whole infrastructure of the country, even attacking Christians, including Maronites (I myself am Maronite) who have a history, if fact, of being quite friendly with Israel.

 

The Holocaust had nothing to do with Christianity, and was a hate-filled, anti-Christian movement that killed loads of Christians as well as Jews. The Catholic church down the road from me was founded by a bishop whose father died in a Nazi concentration camp-so do me a favor and don't preach to me about the Holocaust, ok?

The Inquisition and Crusades occurred three quarters of a millenium ago and the people that led them are long since dead. If they didn't live up to the ideals of their religion, they had to answer for it a long time ago. I'm not here to debate about history, which I'm very capable of doing-I was just talking about the basic tenets of Christianity and the fact that we can't ignore the suffering of other people and just be concerned about ourselves.

 

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First of all, lighten up. It's Friday. Secondly, the citizens of Israel want to live in a peaceful enviorment. And I woulnd venture to guess that is true of almost all citizens of the free world. With Hezballa and Hamas there, that is impossible. Having said that, Lebonan has been letting Hezbella operate in its borders for YEARS without even trying to regulate their actions. Would this be tolerated any where else in the world? It's the governement's responsibility to control what happens in its borders. That's the point of governement. Because Lebonan didn't do it, Israel has no choice. The fact that innocent civilians are being killed is grossly tragic. I mean grossly. But to continue as things were was not an option.

 

This is a gross perversion of the truth. The Church spewed anti-Semetic doctrine for years across Europe and wherever it was found. And compare the number of Chrisitians killed in the holocaust to the number of Jews.

 

Well, you obviously don't understand much about the region. Hezbollah was formed as a response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in the early 1980's. Since that time, until last year, the Lebanese government was taking orders from Syria. Since the early 1990's, the Lebanese government, under orders from Syria, disarmed all the militia groups in Lebanon except for Hezbolllah.

After the assasination of ex-Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri last year, the Syrian government and military finally left Lebanon, and the Lebanese government has been trying to form a stable, democratic government, for the first time in many years without the intervention of outside forces. Hezbollah has been entrenched in Southern Lebanon for years, and its supporters constitute the majority of inhabitants in some parts of South Lebanon. It has an elaborate educational and social welfare system that provides free health care to all its members, and it's members number over 600,000 people in a country of 4 million.

In an ideal world, the Lebanese government that has been in power for the last year would have liked to have no militia groups with arms in the country, but it has inherited this situation and had to move carefully and slowly to consolidate its power and the situation they inherited must be understood.

The only real threat that Hezbollah posed to Israel until last week was that it's members engaged in a few croos-border incursions into Israel that were small skirmishes (and vice-versa with the Israelis) and fired a few ragged little rockets into Israel occasionally that never did much damage. Instead of directly attacking the Hezbollah elements that were attacking them, Israel has unleashed a war on the entire Lebanese infrastructure and population. Sure Israel had a choice, and they made entirely the wrong one.