Proof of NO God

I know this is the old Omnipotent Paradox but its always good to spark Intellectual conversation. "If God is all powerful, could he create a rock too heavy for himself to lift?" I know this is unanswerable but it would be interesting to see peoples opinions.

 

no, which proves that there could be nothign all powerful in my eye

but another possible answer is that somethign all powerful would be completey above our understanding

(I am an agnostic athiest, in case you were wondering )

 

Hmm yes but my point is it dissaproves the christian ideal of the the omnipotent being, undermining their belief. Higher intelligence, sure, but does this give him the power to override the simplest logics, e.g; would he have the power to make one plus two equal four?

 

all of that lies within our own perception though
maybe he fucks with our heads daily, and we have no clue

just because it is our logic, does not mean it is the true way that shit works, stop thinking so self-centered

put it this way
we know OUR truth
we can never know ABSOLUTE truth
because of this

any search for the absolute truth is pointless in my eyes
but that is just MY truth, maybe I am wrong

but since I believe that I can never know absolute truth, I don't even try

in fact, that is quite self-centered in a way
how cute

 

If you had proof, freewill would no longer exist. So, I really hope that conclusive proof either way is not found in my lifetime. It is my strong feeling that it won't. First, if God isn't real, proof of that is hard to imagine. What would it be like? In the case God is real, then we are no match for such a being, and I can't see it being possible to ever comprehend God using our very limited and arbitrarily conditioned human brains. It is not worth spending much time in search of something that for all intents and purposes, appears unknowable, indefinable, incomprehensible, and of no foreseeable value to one if it was indeed known. Lets say you knew there is no God. What would you do differently? Me, nothing. If I knew there was a God? Same thing. It is none of my concern what others believe, thats their business. It is also my conclusion that if God was real, that whether one was atheist or not, or which church they attended, is unlikely to matter one bit to God. After all, why should it? So, if there are an infinite number of gods, three gods, two gods, one god, no gods, or anything in between, how could that possibly matter? To those who find the questions like 'who made god?' and the like entertaining to ask, I ask this, 'what happened before the big bang?', 'how many big bangs have there been?', 'why was there a big bang?', etc. Don't know, don't care, doesn't matter. His Holiness the XIVth Dalai Lama put it well, 'What religion one follows is not important. My religion is kindness.'

 

You can rebut the existence god extreme that he is real on empirical grounds... To a certain extent. Im asking wether anyone can back up the idea of gods omnipotency.

so evidentally you dont give a shit about wether there is a god or not. so you just choose to accept your lesser existence without question?? I find that to be a sad view.

 

wait that was to BlackGuard, right?

 

I wonder if omnipitence has some how gotten tangled up and substituted for omnipresent. At large I am theist i guess but other than having an irrational belief in something that I have no proof for, I assign no greater power to he/she/it then it is and it exists and it exists in all things. To a very large degree I hold with the book "The Road To Damascus" by Joseph Pierre and the "sleeping god" view of the universe.

I find it relevant (although it is probably not) that all of the elemental foces of nature just exactly cancel out and that all of the things that we see are actually little more than empty space held in place by nothing more definable than "forces" which on the face of it requires almost as much faith to believe as do most religions. When I bump my toe on the door it is hard to believe that the door and my toe are in reality just empty space defined by nothing more than the forces that hold the electrons apart at what are realitively huge distances.

 

Thanks for your explanation of basic existentialism 'bamboo'. Its not really relative. but while we are on the topic; that is very true. what are we if not different clusters of atoms floating around meaninglessly, there is no true order to life. the idea of god is subjective, we are first born, then we aquire knowledge and human influence. if the was no external influence fro birth would we still have a sense of god?

 

and what the heck does omnipresent have to do with the question?

 

Yes duck that was for Blackguard

 

1 + 1 = 10































in binary

 

if 'god' created a 'rock' that was too heavy for 'him', then god would be the guy who was lifting the rock, the rock itself, the act of creation of the rock, and the underlying reality that fundamentally: nothing is happening during this entire sequence. you can't be omnipotent, or non-omnipotent, when you're everythingness and nothingness at the same time. it all just IS. maybe people dont understand this because they've perverbially blinded themselves looking up at the perverbial sky for some old man who made this perverbial planet. the funniest thing is that the very ideas of discussion about the nature of god, which everyone of us thinks we are so witty and developed for thinking, are probably god too.

 

you arent making sense blue shoe. your statements totally contradict each other.

 

Le Blank

What if the rock was floating in interplanetery space?
The usage of the word 'lift' is indeterminate. Thus the question is moot.

Occam

 

there are no absolute proofs, especialy of negatives. many more times of sorts of things can exist then have yet been observed to.

the likelyhood of the're resembling closely what has been speculatively assumed about them by the fallowers of dogmatic beliefs IS somewhat low.

this is of no pertinance to the chance of their existence.

paradoxes created with words, are after all, circular logic, see logic circular.

christianity doesn't HAVE to be wrong; it just doesn't have the slightest idea what it is talking about, at least not what it is litteraly and superficialy talking about.

alligoricly is another matter, and that, or so i've been told, are what all sacred writings really are.

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Any rock ends up a grain of sand over time. Eventually "god" could pick it up. We are all gods, the simple fact we can have a discussion about some almighty creator prooves this in my mind anyway.

 

we are relative gods, and it is possible all gods are relative.

not the only possibility, but one of them.

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No, proverbial. Proverb.



Anyway, can God create a rock that even He cannot lift?

If God is all powerful, He can limit his power so that he cannot lift such a rock.

Such a rock could be a mere pebble, but God could limit his power to an infinite degree so that he could not lift that pebble.



Another answer I have heard is, yes, he can create such a rock. And to move it, he could split it into two and move each half. Instantaneously if he so wanted.



This question is FARRRRRRR from "proof of no god" and is an embarrassment to the intelligent community when it is used by someone who does not understand the purpose of the question.

 

well this is good, rabbit, because reality does not operate in the realm of the small, rational mind. god is not a guy. god could be a guy, or a banana. the rational mind is a man-made device, and trying to defend/negate the existence of god with intellectual debate is like trying to sound like jimi hendrix with a mandolin. if your idea of god makes perfect sense the way geometry does with syllogisms and angle-angle puzzles, then it's still not reality. in order to convey reality, most masters of Zen Buddhism, as well as most other religions based on merging with god or becoming enlightened, have spoken in literal paradoxes. until your brain circuit of stubborn, rational, syllogistic thinking burns out, you can't get out of the way and let the universe move through you. THAT is 'getting it.'

PS. i had a feeling i was spelling proverbial wrong, but i couldn't go to dictionary.com without exiting my half-finished quickpost. i will try to watch that in the future.