if you had your own chicken and cow, would it be ok to eat dairy and eggs?

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by lucyinthesky16, Jul 26, 2006.

  1. lucyinthesky16

    lucyinthesky16 pirate wench

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    ive always wondered this-if you owned a cow and chicken, and you loved them to no end, would it be ok to eat the chickens eggs and drink the cows milk?
    say there was no rooster either, so the eggs would never be fertalized.
    i mean, the cow has to be milked, and the chicken lays eggs no matter what, what would you do with the eggs and milk, throw them out?

    my family once had chickens for their eggs, and they were adorable! unfortunately the coyotes around us were not vegitarians...
     
  2. AfricaUnite

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    I am not a vegitarian, but I was curious about this also, my family has had chickens and cows (for eggs, milk and meat) for hundreds of years in Portugal.

    It is engrained in me that having a chicken and a cow simply for the products they produce would be MORE than acceptable.

    Of course my bias has to be taken into account, I have no problem with the killing of animals for meat although I would prefer it to be done in a more humane way.
     
  3. lucyinthesky16

    lucyinthesky16 pirate wench

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    unfortunately, meat producers don't know the meaning of 'humane' here.
    i do live by a big dairy, and ive always wanted to take a tour to see how they treat the cows, so i wouldnt feel bad about not being vegan
     
  4. Blazin

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    Am I right in assuming if you only had a cow and no bull, therefore no chance of the cow becoming pregnant, that it wouldn't produce milk anyway??
     
  5. homeschoolmama

    homeschoolmama Senior Member

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    Well personally I think that it would eliminate the cruelty factor. I've eaten eggs from a local SMALL farmer all my life and never saw it as the same thing at all. So it would depend on why you thought you shouldn't eat eggs & dairy in the first place.

    Yes, a cow can't produce milk until it's calved. But you could probably find a calved cow easily enough if you were really serious... I've seen them advertised in my childhood neighborhood plenty of times.
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  6. AfricaUnite

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    My family had bulls in addition to cows, they dont reproduce themselves you know!
     
  7. Lazuli Blue

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    Hmmm... if you had a cow that had already calved, what happened to the calf? Also, the cow wouldn't produce milk forever so you'd have to make her reproduce until those days are over. Then what would you do with her offspring? Unless you were prepared to keep them you might have to sell them to the meat market and would the ethical ve*gan be able to morally do this? I've also thought about this, wanting to go self-sufficient but always come back to square one.
     
  8. NovaStarwind

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    If I had cows or chickens, it would be okay for me personally to eat their eggs and dairy products, because I would know for a fact that I was treating them humanely, and with all the love I would give to any animal that lived with me.
    ~Nova
     
  9. lucyinthesky16

    lucyinthesky16 pirate wench

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    i would never sell them to a meat market! i would probably sell them to a non-creulty dairy (if one exists, tho the one i live near seems to treat their cows great)
    im not actually thinking of doing this, its just hypothetical
     
  10. scratcho

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    I like milk,but I wonder who the first guy was that tried it.Did he look around to see if no one was looking,run to the cow,shove the calf out of the way and start suckin'?I always thought it was kind of strange to be drinking another species milk to such an extent as we do.By the way,those commercials about happy cows in Calif are so deceiving.In the winter they are ankle deep in shit-mud for many months.STINK--jeez it's awful!I lived in the #1 production area in the states and it's not unusual to see dead cows drug to the road,piled up,loaded on a big truck to be hauled away and rendered for products to sell to---------US!.aaaahhhhhhhhhhh.
     
  11. Hikaru Zero

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    I wouldn't eat the eggs or drink the milk, simply because it is unhealthy and unnatural to the human body. Lactose intolerance is so common among people that it would be ridiculous to even consider that humans are naturally supposed to drink cow's milk (which has ten times the amount of protein -- animal protein at that -- which human milk does).

    And eggs, I never liked them to begin with, they make me sick. But, I could understand eating unfertilized eggs if you owned your own chickens and there was no rooster. As long as there is no cruelty involved, it's alright. There's no cruelty in eating eggs, it's kind of like eating semen (but certainly more appetizing?), it's just cruel to breed chickens to produce them.

    And, no, cows do not need to be milked, they only produce milk when they are pregnant, just like every other animal on the planet, humans included. Women, ask yourself: do you lactate when you aren't pregnant? Do you need to have your boobs squeezed when you are?
     
  12. cheese-wiz

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    so forcing your be loved pet to live in a pen or fenced in field, and then twice a day tying it to a post and forcing it to lactate by squeezing its titties for 20-30 minutes ...to top it off forcing it to breed and produce young that will be enslaved ....wow sounds heavenly....
     
  13. lucyinthesky16

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    my chickens were only in the pen at night, and it wasnt to keep them in, it was to keep the wild coyotes out. the rest of the day they were loose in my yard, free and happy. when they did escape at night, the coyotes ate them. letting poor defensless chickens be torn apart by hungry coyotes sounds a bit more cruel than keeping them in a cage for 12 hours a day.


    as for the eggs, they laid them without roosters, and nobody had to shove a hand up their butt to retreive them, or hurt them, or anything, they were just there, never able to hatch because we never had roosters. what would you do with them?

    i never owned a cow, i dont know how they make milk, thats why i asked. i never said i would go out and buy a cow and torture it for milk and breed it to death or whatever, it was just a hypothetical question. and you would still need a fence to keep out the wolves and coyotes, which we do have in my area. even my dog was half coyote.
    and no, i dont need my breasts squeezed, but i wouldnt mind it... lol HA just kidding! sorry, i couldnt pass that up! :p
     
  14. free2fly

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    THROW THEM AT THE NEIGHBOURS HOUSE, OF COURSE!!! [​IMG]
     
  15. lucyinthesky16

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    only if they eat meat, free 2fly! lol
     
  16. kitty fabulous

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    I am lacto-ovo vegetarian and eat free-range eggs and organic dairy and have no problem with it.
     
  17. kitty fabulous

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    Women lactate after birth, not during pregnancy. And yes, if we produce more than the baby is drinking, or during weaning, we do need to pump to keep the milk from painfully building up and creating conditions like mastitis.
     
  18. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    Thanks for the clarifications, kitty. :)
     
  19. lucyinthesky16

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    see, this is the sort of thing they dont teach you in high school!;)
     
  20. Hikaru Zero

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    Yeah, I feel deprived. :&
     

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