Israel's Most Powerful Weapon--The Holocaust

DO YOU READ WHAT YOU WRITE???

this is what you said in that post........

"if not made up altogether" sounds like to me you are questioning that it ever happened...... this is what i gathered.

I didnt say that you said it was staged, that was my sarcasm about all these so called conspiracy (paranoia) theories, just as the whole moon landing was staged, those footages I have seen of those death camps were also "staged"

geezus, you need to get a grip.

 

I grew up in a career military family and I have talked to people who saw the death camps with their own eyes. There is also enough evidence (the Nazis were organized little buggers) to convince anyone. However, you are correct that many other human loses have fallen somewhat in the shade of the holocaust. You are also correct that it is offensive for a government (such as some in Europe) to make it a crime to publish an opinion. No matter what that opinion is. I do not like the recent increase of purging American universities of folks with unpopular opinions or who have made thoughtless remarks. I also agree with your thoughts on fiat money, With all that said. I think that you seem to have doubts about the extent of the holocaust and I am not sure why this is. There are enough issues to argue about in the current state of world affairs without pushing a hot button subject that is going to prevent much of the intelligent discussion you ask for. I do not see the current situation in the Middle East having much direct relevance to the holocaust.

 

you are a freekin broken record, always goin off on being a critical thinker...... I think all of these conspiracies are peoples answers to their ongoing paranoia.... most are farfetched and unreal. there are only a few of reasonable conspiracy theories.

 

And this is coming from somebody who has done very little, if any, research into the things I talk about.

 

and btw, thanx for telling me that Im not that bright. I guess I should be a "critical thinker" like you. I swear you think you are just as "elite" as the so-called elitists that you try to destroy.

 

and that is coming from someone who assumes I havent.

I swear matt, you keep going lower and lower everyday.

just because I dont agree with the conspiracy theories does NOT mean I havent looked into it.

not everyone thinks like you.

(thank god.)

or wait, god doesnt even exist does he?? thats a tool of organized religion just to brainwash all the sheep......

 

Actually, I do believe very much in the higher power and divine spirit we call God. It's religion I don't agree with.

Have you done any reading at all into the Council on Foreign Relations, the Anglo-American establishment, or the Euopean banking families who have funded every major war of the past century? Have you read books by globalists like Caroll Quigley and Zbigniew Brzezinski, who talk openly about the global conspiracy in their own words? Have you read anything about the Federal Reserve (which is NOT federal NOR a reserve) and who prints our money, which is backed by nothing and printed out of thin air, while charging interest on it?

Do you not agree that there is a secret establishment that runs the US (and much of the world) from behind the scenes? Do you not agree the ultimate goal is the creation of a one world government, currency and police force? Do you not agree there are plans to microchip the entire population? Do you not agree that the national ID card is coming in just under two years? Do you not agree we are heading towards a totalitarian society where big brother will monitor EVERYTHING you do?

This is all starting to happen before our eyes!

Do you know about the North American Union, which is being planned without the public's knowledge or consent? Do you know about the elites plans to do away with our borders completely?

I can understand if there are some things I talk about that you do not agree with, but most of this stuff comes right from the people plotting it, who talk openly about it but know the public is too dumbed-down and distracted to take the time to research it. They instead give us reality television and sports to keep us preoccupied and blissfully unconcered about real issues.

 

I agree that this has no direct link to the Holocaust, unless you consider that the Holocaust was the justification for Israel having a state. As I said earlier any ethnic minority group without some legal protections by a government is usually opressed and have histories of having attrocities commited aginst them. The Kurdish, the Jewish, and Palestinians come to mind off the top of my head.

Hezbollah and Hamas deny Israel the right to exist, so there is that basic connection. Although the specific issues are more complicated and don't have much to do with That.

I agree with you there. These things should be out in the open and left to stand on their own merit, including Holocaust denial. Once people find out there are no legs to stand on, hopefully it'll go away.

Although conspiracies don't depend on evidence. They take random 'facts' and piece them together in incongruous fashions. They repeat claims even after they are factually proven wrong, and write off anyone who questions them as being blind.

 

yup I agree with this. and conspiracists eat this shit up like candy.

 

But you must remember to never get the implanted chip because if you do then you will spend an eternity in hell because you succumbed to the devil. If you reject it and choose not to get the implanted chip you will go to heaven and be with God for eternity. Those are the rules.

 

careful.... the more you throw that word around, the less effect it has... Save it for REAL anti-semitism. Dont use it assome 20-21st century version of the Spanish inquisition's version of "heretic".
I think Pressed Rat articulates with sufficient clarity that zionist jews are the ones who are exploiting the deaths of Jews in the Holocaust to further a political agenda that it completely not in America's best interest.

 

Holocaust-deniers make me sick. They are on par with the morons that claim that "slavery wasn't that bad".

I remember sitting in assembly after assembly at my high school listening to people who survived the Holocaust(not all of them Jews BTW)..listened to their gutwrenching tales and thanked god that I never had to experience what they did.

My good friend's grandparents met at Aushwitz and then married when they both survived and were granted asylum by the US and moved here. I had to listen to her grandmother talk about the children she saw taken at night, lined up infront of a large hole, and shot to death..their little bodies tumbling into the crude mass grave dug by the same adults who promised to protect them.

And there are bastards who weren't even born back then, that have the nerve to say that this stuff didn't happen?? Why? Because the existance of the Holocaust ruins some sort of fanciful conspiracy theory they think verifies their vast intellect??

Fuck you, Holocaust deniers, fuck you and don't ever breed. We have enough stupids in the world as it is.

 

The quality of the research is shown in what conclusions is drawn from it, do the conclusions stand up to scrutiny and can be defended.

This is where critical thinking comes in.

People need those critical faculties to sift through the information and separate the gold from the crap.

If you then present the crap it nearly always stinks when put under a spotlight.

The thing is Rat that hardly any of your conclusions, views, or theories stand up to scrutiny or can be defended.

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that your research isn’t very good.

A lot of it is based on deeply flawed sources (possibly even faked) or opinion dressed up as fact.

So it’s not surprising it stinks.


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So we come to the article and I have to say what’s the point of it?

“It makes me think, first they came for those who questioned the Holocaust, . . . ! Maybe in the near future the government will classify anyone who doesn’t support Israel as a terrorist and lock them up”

And maybe not? I mean which government are we talking about here? And doesn’t this sound just a tad hysterical?

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“If they get any serious opposition, they play the Holocaust card and quickly silence their opponents, whether they be politicians, historians or journalists”

No they don’t, I’ve heard many politicians criticises Israeli governments policies, I’ve read many articles by historians and journalists criticising Israeli government policies.

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As to those people murdered by the dictatorships in Russia and China right wingers try to use them all the time to try and silence left wingers.

As I’ve also pointed out because of my political views I would have been one of the ones sent to the Nazi concentration camps.

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"Not allowing any research proves that there is a problem and something is fishy."

But much research has been done on it and after an agreement -

‘Germany officially opens up extensive Holocaust archive’
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=31857&name=Germany+officially+opens+up+extensive+Holocaust+archive

“The files contain personal data on some 17.5 million victims of the Nazis, including concentration camp inmates, slave labourers and people who were forced to flee their homeland”


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Another way Israel profits from the idea of the Jewish holocaust is that the Jewish holocaust gives them an excuse to make and possess real weapons of mass destruction.

Yes and the US has used the idea of itself as supposed ‘champion of freedom and democracy against evil communism’ to do many bad things. It has also used the idea of it as the ‘leader of the free world’ to build up the biggest military machine and the largest number of WMD’s in history.

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Israel successfully plays the holocaust card for all it’s worth.

I don’t think the Israeli government does anymore just as this present US government is finding it difficult to be taken seriously when it tries to use the ‘champion of freedom and democracy’ badge to condone its own foreign policy.


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What is the article trying to imply that somehow people have to deny the holocaust to be able to criticise the Israeli government or the US policy toward that country.

That’s silly

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Sorry Rat this isn’t an excellent article it is an opinion piece that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Just another turd stinking in the spotlight.

 

To be honest, I have two general rules about debate.

1) Don't debate with fools. You can't win and they will drag your intellect down by engrossing you in meaningless conversation.

2) Don't debate hatemongers. They are blinded by hate and can't be reasoned with.

From what I gather, you fit both of these criteria. So in answer to your question, yes, that's the best I can do for now.

 

what EXACTLY did you see in the video footage? Charecerize it with massive detail. Dead bodies thrown in a pile could have the result of prisoners who died from disease. DETAILS please!! Question everything!

 

Nope. Not good enough. Not good enough by a longshot. The Holocaust is one of many genocides that have taken place. Moreover, in WWII, the worst casualties were on the Russian side: 27,000,000 killed. Run those numbers through your head again and again and again and again and again and again. It is offensive to focus on the Holocause when worse catastrophes have been experienced by other people. The Holocaust has been milked as a political weapon for many years. Norman Finkelstein: the son of Holocaust survivors wrote an awesome book called "The Holocaust Industry" The worst genocide in history of course was the murder of 60,000,000 Russians by Stalin and Lenin. Did you know that?

 

Is it worse to deny that the Holocaust ever happened or denying that God exists. Waiting for an answer.

 

“Is it worse to deny that the Holocaust ever happened or denying that God exists. Waiting for an answer.”

What a stupid question.

No one can prove that any god exists there is can be no physical or material evidence, and in my opinion they are pieces of human fiction like fairies and goblins.

There is quite a lot of evidence for the concentration camp murders, forced labour and other atrocities committed in world war two, from documents to eye witness accounts plus physical remains. And therefore in my opinion they happened.

Are you saying you can prove a god exists or prove the Holocaust never happened?

 

I cannot prove that God does not exist or that the Holocaust ever happened anymore than I could prove that Mars once had life on it because I personally never saw the evidence and cannot take anything on faith alone. Forced Faith = the basis of ideology = basis of totalitarianism


I am saying that only ideologies and religions attempt to silence criticism by saying that those who "question" are full of hatred. Truth is absolute. It is not for sale. It is above and beyond you, me or anyone else. Evidence supports the truth. If people want to investigate the evidence supporting the reality of the Holocaust, then this is TOTALLY fine by me and is a VERY GOOD THING. THe burden is always on those who want to prove that something happened, not the other way around. People never say "prove to me that there wasnt life on mars at one time..." They say "Prove to me that there was". Remember, TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE. When dissent is silenced, the "reality" of the Holocaust is greatly greatly undermined. It is offensive and disgusting to silence dissent NO MATTER WHAT.

 

Please clarify

Are you saying that if the evidence seems to prove the Holocaust took place that’s ok. But at the same time if you deny that the Holocaust took place that ok as well, and is at the same time compatible with it seeming to have taken place.

As to the life on mars thing it seems like another silly argument, I mean there isn’t the evidence one way or another because we haven’t done much of an investigation. From the evidence collected so far the answer is no but most scientists believe that is too small a data to make a definitive answer.

On the other hand there is a lot of evidence to point to the holocaust taking place are you denying that that data is correct and if so why?