Science Is Bullshit

I do not consider specific events to be real and others not. Nothing is real. The fact that people can break rules that are supposedly unbreakable merely reinforces the assertion that those rules do not really exist. We are trapped in a prison of our own making. It is us that keeps the bars up through our own ignorance.

Man, you're a prat. The world doesn't revolve unless we believe it does. It's an illusion man. Made out of Infinite Love, which is what we all are. So the world doesn't revolve around us, we are the world that is revolving. We are trapped in this 'matrix' which is consciousness that is unaware of itself. It lives on fear, but as consciousness becomes aware of itself again, the supply will dry up.

I know it's just a movie. And people with different ideas are always told they have psychological problems, until everyone realizes they're right. See the quote in my signature.

And this isn't based on a movie. You obviously know little about the people who made the movie. The Matrix isn't just a piece of pop culture. It's a tememdously cerebral film. Regardless, this is true, so it cannot be based on an illusory movie. But I really fucking resent what you said to me there. You have only the very barest idea of what I'm talking about, and you start telling me I have psychological problems and that I base my life on a movie. Not the most elegant way to converse.

 

He also worked in the patent office.. It doesn't take someone of Einstienien intelligence to figure out the con-nection there

You may be close to right, actually. To make an observation in the vein of Einstiens doesn't imply that you understand why it is that way. In my eyes, a genius is someone who fully understands the nature of the system which he's observing. There's no scientific evidence for that, so why should I believe that he did?

Whether it was his work or not, he publicly attached a mathematical princible to a percievable system, which for anyone is a very difficult thing to do.. but not impossible, for anyone who sees the right things at the right time and in the right way. He gave us the idea that nothing travels faster than light... of course then when the idea of quantum-entanglement arised, he called it 'spooky' why? because it implies that either it IS possible for something to travel faster than light, or his idea of time and space wasn't as well formed as we would like to believe.

In essence his formula was a way of calculating how far apart two dots on a screen are, and made a link between them (the two dots being differently coloured concepts.. given enough we can paint a picture of the universe), but what he failed to see, or couldn't understand well enough to mention, was the origin of these concepts, which is why he couldn't fully understand quantum-entanglement. Now, while I'm not saying this man wasn't brilliant.. he wasn't god-like either. He was human enough to make mistakes, or fail to see things. If there's one thing I've learned... just because what you say makes sense in realation to your world, that doesn't make it true.

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I think nalencer says it best

 

Entanglement doesnt actually violate any of Einsteins principles if you think about it enough. Its true that it does imply an instantaneous relationship between two places however this does not violate causality. Because for information to be sent using this technique information would need to be sent in parallel using classical methods to complete any information transfer. So while it does appear some form of faster than light intereaction which is the interest of modern physics, it does not allow violation of causality.

This isnt the only scenario where this occurs, the phase velocity of light can be faster than the vacuum speed of light. However unmodulated light cannot be used to send information, so again causality is not violated.

 

I think einstien played with us alot, just look at what he called his theory.
ever observation is relitive to the observer, and human are far too limted to observe much of how the universe operates

 

No you are all totally correct - science is Bullshit
They dropped 10 tons of science on Hiroshima and blew it to pieces
Our world is so screwed up that we dont understand it anymore - especially the difference between science and technology. When The USA dropped that theory by Isaac Newton on Nagasaki that was science at its worst. These days we have much bigger scientific theories like Stephen Hawkins produces. LOrd knows what will happen if ever a thesis by SH is ever dropped it may take half the world with it. Technology will help solve the problems. All those theorists in technology have done nothing wrong except to think. The technologists have never built a bomb all they do is think about the logic on which the evidence of our senses is presented to us.
It is the scientists and their exploding theories. Take Darwin for instance - I know that the explosive force of his work is going to destroy the entire earth if they manage to get it off the ground - The other scientists have been making rocket boosters to blast darwins books at China. What about pseudo scientists like Karl Marx, if Marxist scientists manage to find a way of splitting the word - they will certainly put the whole episode into context

 

Gordon Bennet !!!!! It almost sounds like you lot know something about this subject. I take it you are scientists ?
Well I think its rather beside the point whether Einstein was really great or not - there arent many who would understand his work and fewer who understand the problem of entanglement. In fact an experiment was recently carried out by technologists based on scientific theory, which used the principles discovered in the entanglement theory. What they did was to take photons from one location so that they were then transported to another location.
this resulted in a bar of light being cut at two ponts in the middle and then the photons were transported across the room where those photons produced the cut section in midair. No mirrors etc - it was the technologists dream but the scientific theorists promise that did the trick
How can science be bullshit - its a line of logic that technologists can prove valid or invalid. It wasnt science that blew up japanese cities - it was technology

 

Entanglement is not such a novelty now. Quantum coherence (the umbrealla term) exists everytime particles interact. What had changed recently is that experiemnts have become sensitive enough to maintain this coherence. If you entangle two particles the coherence between the two degrades every time a further interaction occurs and is lost very quickly, being able to preserve this coherence. I dont know which particular experiment you are referring to but theres a lot of work along those lines at the moment I read a while ago that a group had achieved 4 photon entangelment though im probably behind the times now.

Though none of the strange effects of entanglement violate causality. As to whether Einstein was just playing with us who knows, but if he was playing he got very lucky as he single handly created the second most successful theory ever.

 

I think the discerning factor here is that science does not find answers to problems. It finds solutions.
An 'answer' implies the best or only solution. A solution implies that there may be other solutions, and make no implication to the quality of the solution, only that it works for the required problem.
Science is not a dictator if what is known. It is a method of systematically investigating what is not known with reproducable results.

People have been experimenting for 1000's of years, long before 'science' was ever invented. If an experiment is done scientifically however, then other scientists can refer to the records for that experiment and accurately reproduce the results. This saves them the effort of having to conduct their own experiments for the same purpose, which allows them to concentrate their efforts on novel experiments, which in turn adds to the compendium of science.
In essence, science is just an efficient way for universal collaboration.

 

When you insult other people who did not harm you, that tells me more about you than it tells me about that person you insult.

Somewhere in your low self-esteem mind, you feel like putting down other will make you feel better about yourself.
When calling someone else an idiot, you are really trying to say that if others are idiot/fat/bad than therefore you must be smart/slim/good.

 

Correction, Darwin's science will not drop any bombs, humans using that science in wrong ways will do that.

If we follow your logic, I could shoot a man with a gun and you would put the gun in jail.

 

Pepe

Agree

And who do we blame when a rock hits the earth?.. the scientists..cause they did not tell us soon enought to use science to stop it..

Humans are in general..stupid... and the stupid [the majority] allways gank on the thinkers for upsetting there tv timetables

Occam

 

Science is neither bullshit or the answer.

What is bullshit is the way science and statistics are interpreted by the media and the government, and the fact that certain research (for example on zero point energy) is not funded simply because if it turned out to be a viable energy source, it would mean a loss of capital as opposed to the general destruction of our planet..

 

Agreed 100%

In fact, I think anyone hoping for a cure for diabete for example, is a fool.
I have a friend who is a diabetese and he spends around 500$/month for his meds and an other 4-500$ for his son's meds.
Now multiply that by whatever millions of people suffering from this disease and you have yourself a very profitable drug market .... you really think those drug companies are interested in researching a cure for diabete? .... a cure against their own profits?

Same goes with war, so long as the White House staff and the Congress staff aren't getting killed and aren't doing any killing themselves, they are not going to lift a finger to end that 400$ billion/year business ..... yeah cuz war is business, nothing but a profitable business for the elite and the corporate whores who control our gubment and our TV's.

Science isn't bullshit, the big money that owns all the science is bullshit.

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"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous"

Thats the heart of it

 

As with most other things! Nice saying.

 

science just took a big dump on the chest of the original poster.......



just thought id put my two scince in.....

 

two thumbs up

 

the kid that posted this thread is probably pissed because he was too dumb to pass his highschool chemistry, biology, and physics classes. also dude, if thats you plyaing the drums you better get some private lessons because your technique and grip look horrible.

 

Highschool science really is bullshit. It's more like "state approved money making passive facts class".

Anyway, the kid who posted that last comment is probably trying to inflate his ego because he's too dumb to realise that it's blatantly obvious that in the context of this thread it doesn't matter how you hold a fucking drumstick.

 

chameloser. nah, i was actually just being an asshole like you were in your post to me. I was just a little pissed at the kid who posted this for calling science (which i have decided to dedicate my life and career to) bullshit. but thanks anyways for your psychological analysis of my motives for posting though.