Meditation, Pychedelics And Enlightenment

Ok due to some challenging I've decided to post a few of my experiences about these 3, their relations and stuff like that. So first off let me define these terms:
Meditation: The art of focusing yourself on one thing in a state of heightened awareness using the techniques taught by the Buddha to his disciples.
Pycedelics: Halucegenic/Euphoric drugs (including but not limited to, LSD, Psylocibic Mushrooms, MDMA, Marijuana, Methamphetamine, Cocaine, Opium, Heroin, Methadone, Alcohol, nicotine) used to "Heighten" the experience of "meditation" to easier reach a state of "Enlightenment"
Enlightenment: A point of heightened understanding about the world around you.

Now I'll begin by talking about how I came about meditation. I was a practicing Satanist and heard about the similariteis between Satanism and Buhhdism. A friend sumed up to me "The Satanist belief is 'It doesnt matter so dont give a shit and do whatever you want' right? Well Buhhdism is like 'It doesn't matter so go drink tea.' " That kinda puzzled me at what he meant by that. I looked into some basic principles and read about some disiplines of meditation. It seemed a little odd so I didn't even bother with it. Then one time I got high and my friend was telling me I should really try it out so I did it. It was quite an invigorating experience I must say. So hell, that felt cool I'll do that when I'm not. That was pretty cool too. I continued on doing this stuff for about a 3 weeks, sometimes high sometimes not. Then I tried it when I took mushrooms and I was like "WHOA, that was intense" and followed this practice for some time. I kept feeling closer to enlightened until I dropped acid. At some point in my 10 and a half hour trip I meditated and discovered that this was the real truth and the correct path. After that somehow my sober meditation seemed somehow incomparable and this distressed me. I began to think about it and I pretty much stopped meditating. Over a 2 month sobriety period I had a lot of time to consider and reflect on it. I came to relize that I was going against the very principles of meditating. The main focus is awareness. To become aware of everything that is around you and to have complete control over your body and mind, bringing them together in unison. Well its hard to do that if your on anything isnt it? The more I thought about it the more I began to question all my motives. If your on marijuana its hard to be able to understand feelings of agression, if your on mushrooms its extremely hard for me to ground myself to where I am (often feelings of vertigo take over and I feel like I'm in the ocean or something similar) and like mushrooms, when on acid its hard to discern what is real and not. Auditory hallucinations make you aware of what really isnt, thus a distraction from what is. Erah I gotta go do some stuff so this will be concluded later. Go ahead and post your thoughts but remember I'm not quite done yet so try to avoid the preaching please

 

i love doing that kind of stuff to, but just a question? how did you feel when you did it on mushrooms, like what were your thoughts and stuff, i never done meditations on mushrooms before, but it sounds like fun! cant wait for conculsion, peace and love!

 

i think you should stick with satanism

 

Dazed: In meditation you try to push everything from your mind (gently however) and become more aware of your surroundings. However if you practice you will notice your mind tends to stray away from the task at hand and ponder things. However on mushrooms I got some pretty erratic random thoughts. Stuff like floating on blue clouds over a red sea... Crazy nuts.

Fractual: Agnostic right now... Maybe you should learn about it before making asumptions huh?

 

justa suggestion, sounds like it would be more right for you.

 

Dude thats not what meditation is! thats mind control! meditation, is living in the moment.

 

If you try to meditate on a substance you are NOT meditating. That's false! Meditation is controling the mind. You can't control it if you are altering it with drugs.

 

This was essentially the apiphanny (SP X_X) I reached.

 

where can i find out more about buda and meditation.any gd websites u know of or anything

 

Good god... is this not what we were talking about in the other thread.

 

well i think you both are right in a way, and correct me if im wrong but i think meditation is about finding your inner peace, by controling your mind and becomeing more aware of the things around you! so your both right to me, i also think that if you did it on drugs it wouldnt exactly by meditating but you still could find your inner peace, which is great and i plan on trying it soon because of all the great things you said about it. well anyway im still looking forward to your conculsion
~peace and love~

 

Ok... the point of meditation is to reach a state of heighten conciousness. Inner peace is often a side bonus. The thing is if your trying to get that inner peace, your sights are WAY too low. Thats not meditation but relaxation exercises. Also if you try and use meditation to reach inner peace, your likely to just get frustrated. Back to my story. So I reached this conclusion that I was not in fact meditating on these substances because the illusion of mental clarity was in fact, an illusion (Duh) What I was doing was using meditational practices to feel something (how to define it, I dont know.) but I would follow the same steps I would when sober to achieve my goal. Now the end product was not bad, but in fact left me with several good insights on dailly existance. But was I closer to enlightenment? Certainly not... I view it kinda like this graph


A)Meditation
B)Influenced Meditation

A B
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Basiclly I broke it down like this. Meditation is good but when your high, enlightenment is just an illusion. Upon relizing this you can better understand how to apply your stoned sessions into everyday life. Now let the questions flow

Child At Nature: Its spelt Buddha (no worries I didnt know either) and your library should carry some books in there. Just look for translatings of Buddha and your set

 

http://www.shambhala.org/ is an AWESOME web site

 

I just dont htink meditation has any patterns.. which are caused by control.. its more like a science.. you have to investigate for yourself for sure.. hmm groovy man.. meditation isnt buddhism though, meditation predates buddhism i think.. i really dont think its about control.. hmm its all in ones perceptions.. what a trip

 

I was refering to Buddhistic meditation though, as through the teachings of Buhhda

 

Are you into the teachings of Lord Buddha?

 

its still just a label and has absolutley no relation with the actual experience itself. meditation isnt what you think, yea, very trippy stuff indeed.

 

Yeah... Sometimes I read his stuff and its still like, "Shit... what?" lol... Heavy stuff.

Fractual: Ok... all for speaking your mind and everything... but either post whole complete thoughts or shut the hell up (Not to turn this into a flame war)

 

satanism is totally your thing man. my thoughts were as whole as they come.

 

Tell me ONE satanic principle then? You dont know dick about it so just bugger off. Buhhdism isn't about all that stereotypical garbage either. Try actually picking up a book and reading it. You learn faster that way