Well if your life goal is to "try" and inform others of your knowledge then your failing miserably. Your not the type who is going to change peoples minds with one speech, your more the type who will start an arguement or a fight.
BUT Rat you still haven’t addressed the fundamental problem at the heart of your posts. You claim that you are against the ‘elite’ but as I’ve pointed out you seem to support the very things that would make the wealthy elite stronger. Just ignoring that contradiction does not mean it goes away. ** You seem to support right wing libertarian ideas that would favour the wealthy elite. You say that voting isn’t worth it, which favours the wealth sponsored political parties. You say that it isn’t worth organising for change, which gives the wealthy elite a free hand to organise for changes that favour them. You claim that all left wing political thinking is controlled (and in fact was invented) by the conspiracy you believe in and therefore should not be supported. Which favours the wealthy elite. So once more I ask - why is it that you claim to be so against the wealthy elite but seem to be supporting so much that would favour the wealthy elite and make their position stronger? And why, if you have nothing to hide, do you run away from any discussion of these seeming contradictions? ** You claim that you wish to stop the dumbing down but it seems to me that you seem to want to dumb down and trivialise every serious political discussion on the forum by throwing around wild unsubstantiated claims and putting everything down to some zionist/satanist conspiracy. You talk of others using fear to get people to follow their agenda. But it seems to me that shouting about a secret conspiracy of devil worshippers that are trying to set up a world wide satanic state that would be in your words be ten times worse than Hitler’s Germany is just trying to instil fear in people so that they (hopefully) will follow your own agenda. And your agenda, as pointed out above, seems to be all about making the wealthy elite more powerful. Even more contradictions. **
He is not failing miserably...All of you will remember what he has said when the shit hits the fan. It's really sad that alot of people could care less about whats really going on in this world.American Idol,ball games,and who Paris Hilton is currently fucking is much more important. I for one do not want to lay down and give up my rights/life to these nazis!I want to live and be free!I want my kids to have a great future!And their kids,and so on...I do not want to be spyed on!I'm not a terrorist!The evil nazis that run this world are the terrorist!These satan worshiping bastards are not gonna stop unless something is done by the people! You neocon supporters ain't helping the push either! Wake up & smell the lies!!
And there we have it “these nazis” “evil nazis” “terrorists” “satan worshiping bastards” Trying to use fear to get people to accept your agenda. ‘Follow me’ they cry ‘or you will be killed by evil devil worshipping terrorist nazis’ and if you question why you should believe this or ask about their policies then you must be a ‘neocon’ or an ignoramus. ** MMM I’ve asked you before and got no reply but hey I’m always optimistic. What is the ‘something’ you think should be done?
yeah, but what if your conspiracy theories are just bull, then who is going to look retarded????? seriously, how do you know who is telling the truth??????? IM sure not going to believe those in power, or all of these countless conspiracy theories that are speaking more of paranoia than anything based of fact..... Id rather fuckin live my life than to worry constantly about something I have no control over, than to spend every minute of my pathetic miserable life looking up and researching countless conspiracy theories over the net and in books.....
People don't realize how fortuanate we as western civilizations really are. They don't realize that in the majority of the world you don't have rights and liberities. I really do believe that being free will soon be a thing of the past and you will have to work for your rights and civil liberties. Because remember as quickly as a civilization has allowed freedom it can be that quickly removed.
Of course they're bull to someone whose life revolves around sports, rock concerts, American Idol, and watching their hair grow in the mirror. You eat everything they feed you, pal! You wouldn't know what bullshit was if your face was shoved in it. You ridicule me about shit you know nothing about and I am sick of it! If I am full of bullshit as you claim, pick an issue I have mentioned that you think is BS and let's debate like intelligent people. Either put up or shut up.
Actually, I have woken many people up. Maybe not on these boards, but nevertheless. And that doesn't mean these people agree with EVERTHING I say. I don't want people to agree with me, I want them to do their own research and see if what I say is right or not.
first of all, matty....... I wasnt even talkin or referrin to you......... second of all, I was rhetorically speakin. I said "if" after all. and not at once did I say you were full of bullshit. show me where! if you will. but because you are so paranoid, and feel the need to troll and flame all those who oppose you, you constantly barrade me with attacks and the same tired speech over and over. I had enough.
we used to have howard zinn and chompsky give talks for us in an anarchist lecture series called 'black rose ' ....so we got to take all of our lecturers out to eat afterwards .....zinn was the nicer one to just talk to n stuff ....george wald and ruth hubbard were cool too .
"If I am full of bullshit as you claim, pick an issue I have mentioned that you think is BS and let's debate like intelligent people. Either put up or shut up." OH I nearly fell off my chair laughing, really, literally. Rat doesn’t this strike you as a little bit hypocritical, I mean you have run away from virtually any debate where you ideas have been put under scrutiny. You have shut up a lot more than you have put up. But fine if that’s what you want come back to the Rat thread and lets talk. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112948
Noam Chomsky outlines the history of United States Global Terror, and believes 9/11 is the mildest response that we in the United States have a reasonable right to expect. Patriarchal Nationalists however, are ruled by unreasonable expectations, because Patriarchal Nationalism is a mere front for a desperately inadequate sexual-identity. The foundation of identity is sexual, and the more repressed our sexual-identity the more desperately we use Patriarchy and Nationalism as an indirect release of our repressed sexuality. This makes Noam Chomsky's revelations about United States Foriegn Policy a threat to the sexual-identity of those clinging to Patriarchy and Nationalism.
Of the 900-plus airline hijackings since the '60s, the vast majority were accomplished by Arabs and Muslims with far fewer resourses than Bin Laden. I understand that America's cultural assumption of racial superiority finds it difficult to accept a public slap in the face by a rag-head, sand-****** in a cave. Yet, we better get used to the fact that our assumptions are not going to protect us from the consequences of our actions. And no comic-book satanic-conspiracy cover-story is going to protect us from the real-life revenge seeking pawns of our global policy. 9/11 is exactly what any reasonable person would predict as the consequences of our global manifest destiny.
lol I have heard that argument so many times....we are "racist" for believing arabs couldn't penetrate the world's best air defense system...this is horeshit, NOBODY could make the air force not intercept the airliners except the executive branch of the government. 9/11 was not a result of "blowback" it was a good thesis when the attacks first occured but now that we have had 5 years to go back and look at that day with a clear head we see it is not the result of blowback but an attack on innocent civilians by a hijacked government that is being led by criminals, the ability to have a "blowback" thesis because of all the fucked up shit we did in the middle east is the perfect way for people within the US to pull off this spectacular attack and have the majority of people in the United States believe it was arabs, it makes sense.
900??? So 900 is the magic number then? Do you have any stats to support this, or should we just believe you without asking further questions? Sorry, pal, but that's not going to cut it. You're not going to weasel yourself out of the debate by bringing your tired race card tactics into this. This is probably the number one countering tactic used to shut people up asking questions regarding the official story. It's like with zionism, where if you ask legitimate questions regarding Israel, you're an anti-Semite. The Elite know that using the race card is a great way to silence people, and now they have stooped as low as to say those who question 9/11 are racists. I have never heard anything more ridiculous, yet you parrot their words without even addressing questions regarding the attacks like: 1) The fact the the "terrorists" were trained and housed on US military bases 2) The fact that the "terrorists" had all their credit cards paid off by the government. 3) The fact that as many as 7 of the 19 hijackers are still alive and well, living in the Middle East (according to BBC and other sources) 4) The fact that NORAD stood down 5) The fact that bin Laden is an obvious CIA asset, whose connections with the Bush family are numerous and decades old. These are only five glaring facts out of literally hundreds, but if you cannot explain these facts, you're bullshit about racial superiority goes right out the window.
Look it up, over 900 airliner hijackings since the '60s, and the hijackers are known to be overwhemingly Arab and Muslim. You're a little young, but a few decades ago it was nearly a daily occurance. You played the card, and it's you that's not going to get away with it, and don't try to weasel out of it with denials. Your insinuation of his inferiority by deliberately making a point of his working from a cave, only works if one knows one can rely on minds already fertile with rag-head stereo-typing. You revealed your unaknowledged motivations, I only rejected them. I reject your insinuation of their inferior status, just as I reject your pretended cover-rationalization that people working in a cave can't coordinate four hijackings. Working in a cave didn't stop those hidding in Cheyanne Mtn. from coordinating North American Air Defence. And now that very cave in Cheyanne Mtn is being reduced to near nothing, because it has been made obsolete by a few men in an Afgan cave. NORAD has been in a relaxed near shut-down posture since the demise of the Solviet Union. NORAD is not the best designed unit to attack domestic civilian aircraft. And on a busy tuesday morning with half the nation high in the air eating complimentary peanuts as they commute to their next business meeting, finding and tracking four commuters out of all that tuesday morning air-clutter, is like finding four needles in a haystack in a hurry. Especially on a day when they had zero expectations of confronting the ballistic missles that were their main concern and the purpose of their original training. If you want to stop the next 9/11, then stand against authority, put your body on the line and demonstrate against our aggressive Global policy. No matter who's behind this Global policy, we're the ones that have to carry it out, and we're the ones responsible for demonstrating our determination to stop that policy. Because in reality there is no conspiracy, The Elite are merely at the cutting edge of a mass psychosis propelling us all. It makes sense, and we believe it, because we've been expecting it for a long time. Bin Ladin's CIA connection only increases the likelyhood of "blow-back". And a man who could be recruited to fight for his religion against Solviet domination, is exactly the kind of man who would gladly attack American domination.
Rat Yeh yeh yeh we all know, you believe 9/11 was the product of an evil generational conspiracy involving some devil worshipping dudes. ** The thing that still isn’t answered is what politically you want to do about it, besides seeming to want to help the wealthy elite gain more power, the same wealthy elite you claim actually head this conspiracy? I mean don’t you think it a little weird you’re so reluctant to talk about your political views but spend so much time in the politic forum and are as about at open to political debate as the very ‘devil worshippers’ you accuse? ** If all you are ever going to do is bring everything back to your unsubstantiated illumanti/zionist/satanist conspiracy and refuse to talk about politics or political policies I think you are just trolling and your ideas would be better off in the Conspiracy Forum and not in the Politics Forum
