The Naked Truth about America

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by God, Aug 13, 2004.

  1. God

    God Member

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    It wages a 'war on drugs' to control and try to prevent people from using those mind-opening drugs which open their eyes to the lies they are being fed everyday. It also imprisons hundreds of thousands of innocent offenders, using them for their prison slave labor.

    It wages a 'war on terror' to keep down insurgencies in countries around the world, uprisings that try to overthrow the ruling elite class, trying to establish a more equal system.

    It wages a 'war on education', mandatory public education (brainwashing), conditioning us into ignorance and apathy.

    It wages a 'war on culture', creating culture (music, TV, books, art) that conditions us into what they think we should be (blind consumer slaves).

    Anyone who thinks they have freedom, you don't have freedom unless you are in control of your own mind entirely, and let no government condition and brainwash you, whether it is outright or subtle conditioning. STAY FREE!!
     
  2. turtlefriend

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    As for the war on drugs and terror, I'm against them. But that's our government's fault, not nessicarily that of the people.

    Education - you CAN go through the system and not get brainwashed. I've been through 12 fucking years of Catholic school, and have not been brainwashed. I'd be for making school atendence optional, but what about parents who make their kids work in their store instead of getting an education so they can learn to read, write, become a rocket scientist, etc.?

    Culture - if our current government created our culture, then where did Michael Moore come from?
     
  3. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    I've done my share of drugs and believe me, if marijuana and heroin had "opened my mind to the lies I was being fed everyday," I would be the fucking Buddha. But all it got me was a filthy apartment, some nasty friends and a few nights in jail.

    And prisoners used as slave labor? Find me a recent accounts of prisoners used as "slave labor" (outside of Joe Arpaio's town that is, that guy's a fucking whackjob).

    Bombing the WTC was done "to establish a more equal system"? Beheading civilians is "trying to everthrow an elite ruling class"? You're right, terrorists who target innocent civilians are great people, and should be respected as civil rights heroes.

    Public education mandatory? Who the hell told you that? Ever hear of private schools? Home schooling? Apparently not.

    If you don't like the free market system, I'm all ears to whatever alternative you have to propose.

    Sure.
     
  4. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    Michael Moore is a democratic propaganda tool.
     
  5. loverofthewoods

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    heroin isnt one of those "drugs" thats sets you free...rather one that makes you a prisoner. ever wonder why crack and heroin are everywhere but the psychodelics and ethogens are so underground? your gov, knows what these plants can do for a person, and it scares the shit out of them. their power depends on our apathy and ignorance.
     
  6. HonkyTonk

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    If LSD opens your mind so much, why hasn't the generation of the 60's, which now rules us made the land so wonderful? The activism of that generation must be naive and immature, else i'd say that these "wonder" drugs woulda brought peace in our time.
     
  7. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    In the sixties everyone knew they could make this world a great place, but somewhere along the line they lost their way. The government killed all their leaders - jimi hendrix, john lennon - and they started to think maybe they just couldnt do this.

    The sixties werent the answer to our problems. They just showed us what we could do if we tried. I think we need to try again, dont you?
     
  8. HonkyTonk

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    Jimi was a boozehound. and the sixities were long gone by the time that maniac shot Lennon. We need to try again i agree, but i know that no way in hell can we reach global peace.
     
  9. Mui

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    are you saying that the empires around the world are controlled by the hippies of the 60's and 70's movement?

    more like the neo cons of the 50's
     
  10. LaughinWillow

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    Look, while I agree that some drugs (particularly natural psychedelics) can be used to open the mind and create social understanding and spiritual growth, no drug is an answer in and of itself. The drug use in the 60's didn't work because it remained in a sick social context. And ANY drug that is used too frequently does more harm than good - natural psychedelics, especially, are meant to be used sparingly, with full consciousness, with intentional goals of spiritual growth. Using psychedelics to party with 5 times a week will rot your brain as much as anything else.


    Most of the young people in the 60's who wanted to "drop out" didn't really have anywhere to "drop IN" to - many tried to create communities that were based on loose social theories - ironically, rejection of work played a big part in this. A good friend of mine who lived in communities throughout the 60's and 70's once told me that the biggest problem with the progressive/hippie movements at the time was that people wanted to be "free" of the system, so they tried to create communities with no structure at all - mistakenly thinking this was more "natural." In fact, what this did was create a labor vaccuum, because only those who were truly motivated actually worked. So you ended up with these communities where 5 people were doing the work of 20 - they couldn't survive. Only those with structure, with a focus on intentionally creating alternative societies, survived - like The Farm in Tenessee or Twin Oaks in Virginia.

    As it is, the fact is that for MANY of us, psychedelic use certainly has contributed to our understanding of the power structures in the world, inspired us to learn more and seek something else when we were NOT under the influence of psychedelics, and helped us to create value systems that are not based on social stratification and material wealth. As a mental health therapist, I also can vouch for the fact that psychedelics, used in moderation and with intention, can be powerful therapies for individuals with problems with anger, trauma, and blocking emotions.

    Likewise, marijuana, used in moderation, can provide a wonderful social experience, help with meditation and relaxation, and is a powerful medication with few or no (when eaten) side effects for everything from nausea to headaches to glaucoma to severe morning sickness. A physician recently told my pregnant sister that she would rather have her use marijuana for her morning sickness than the nausea drugs approved as "safe" by the FDA for use in pregnancy, because those drugs remain suspect, while marijuana has proven to be completely safe with moderate use. There is absolutely NO valid reason for this plant to be illegal. None.

    Sorry if this little rant was a little off topic from the original post...
     
  11. brokenwingz425

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    The strong minded cannot be easily controlled, unfortunately we seem to be the minority. stupid americans
     
  12. HonkyTonk

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    Nice post Willow, laziness is the dagger in the side of america right now. Mui the neo-cons of the 50's were cons, neo-cons didn;t exist. And most would be in there late 60's and 70's by now. The hippy generation holds the reins at the moment.
     
  13. turtlefriend

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    Which explains why he critisized the Clinton in Bowling for Columbine. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    First of all, the people from the 60's who now "Rule us" probably didn't take LSD, and secondly, 90% of the people who rule us weren't involved in the 60's flower power scene, they were already involved in the government during the 60's and 70's, look how OLD Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Wolfowitz are...

    Peace and Love,
    Dan
     
  15. HonkyTonk

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    So why haven't the enlightned ones taken power or at least make an attempt too?
     
  16. turtlefriend

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    That's the kunundrum. The ones who are enlightened believe that power and wealth amount to nothing good. Therefore, the unenlightened are the ones who gain control.
     
  17. loverofthewoods

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    peace, and freedom is a state of mind my friend
     
  18. LuciferSam

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    Kinda ironic, ain't it? I haven't known any staunch Catholics that came out of Catholic high school. I've known tons of ex-Catholics or lapsed Catholics from Catholic high schools though. A couple hardcore Catholics I've known came from public school.
     
  19. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    Just like turtlefrind said, VERY few pople who took LSD in the 60's and 70's want to be involved in the political scene, and the ones who DO want to make a change like the flower children of the 60's (Sharpton, Kucinich, Nader, etc.) are all shut out of mainstream politics because all the top politicians make SOO much money from evil corporations, and the people like Kucinich and Nader, etc, have too much of a conciounce to take money from Companies like Exxon and Enron, and so they get shut out because of their lack of money, the big power elite have all this figured out, they aren't going to just give up without a fight, they have been doing it since WWI.

    Peace and Love,
    Dan
     
  20. LuciferSam

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    Yep, the system probably wouldn't be here if it didn't know to squash people who try to dismantle it. McCain too got screwed by this, giving an example on the other side of the spectrum. His anti-soft money platform drew lots of frowns from of his party's establishment back in the 2000 race.
     

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