The Three Fears

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by myself, Aug 21, 2006.

  1. myself

    myself just me

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    I came across this article during my websearches. I wonder, how much do we think of death during the day, especially if we are having fun? We make plans for the future, we work, we learn... Are we as much afraid of death as we are afraid of life? To face the obstacles and challenges of life, that is... Don’t we see death as rest and don’t people commit suicide because they can no longer face life?...
    Are we really afraid of going crazy? Or are we more afraid of being conscious about everything?... If we are crazy, then we are happier (because we are less conscious about reality) and we live in our own world... we are free, as someone said, he/ she would prefer to be insane and do whatever he/ she would want without caring about what the others say... Going crazy just happens when we least expect and conscience is almost gone and it is only then when we are no longer afraid... It is much more difficult to keep sane – thus we are conscious of all that goes on in reality and we worry much more and are therefore more afraid... more afraid of life...

    Fear of orgasm? Because of guilt? I’d say it is fear of feeling guilty, embarrassed if we don’t reach it or don’t do it... and then, what about children, who don’t even know what orgasm is?...

    Are these truly our three greatest fears??...



    Here is (the main part of) the article:







    The Three Fears



    In therapy group situations, there are three fears that always come up in people: the fear of going crazy, the fear of sexual orgasm and the fear of dying.

    - The fear of going crazy is essentially the fear of being alone.

    - The fear of orgasm in essence is guilt.

    - The fear of death is essentially fear of the unknown.


    In these three fears humanity has lived for thousands of years. They are not personal - they are collective. They come from the collective unconscious.
     
  2. Professor Jumbo

    Professor Jumbo Mr. Smarty Pants

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    Ummm. . yeah.
    Okay fear 1 - The fear of going crazy is essentially the fear of being alone.
    That don't make no sense. I've never met anybody who was afraid of going crazy except for some people who were already crazy. Funny that. And I would think that the fear of being alone is the fear of being alone.

    Fear 2-
    The fear of orgasm in essence is guilt.
    And it gets weirder. Fear of orgasm!? What, somebody elses or your own? Really, that is crazy. Of course there are plenty of celebate people, but is that really "fear" of orgasm. Seriously, I just cannot imagine any non-crazy person being afraid of orgasms.

    Fear 3
    - The fear of death is essentially fear of the unknown.

    Finally one that makes sense. Though I would add to that things like it also being fear of separation, fear of leaving things unfinished, and in some cases fear of eternal torment.

    Fear of death as one of three major fears makes sense. As for the other two, I would imagine that they would be things like fear of spiders, or fear of public speaking, or fear of hights, or fear of enclosed spaces. Things like that you know. I mean, if you went out and asked people what their three major fears are I imagine that very few people would say "I'm afraid of going crazy and of having orgasms"
     
  3. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    I think the ultimate fear is LOSS.

    Think about it. Everything we fear, it boils down to losing something: our minds, our lives, our possessions, our loved ones, our freedom...etc.

    When we learn to not depend of these things for our happiness, then can we overcome fear. But, will we?

     
  4. mariecstasy

    mariecstasy Enchanted

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    everything can be boiled down to two emotions really....one is love, one is fear.
    if someone is sexually inhibited in any way shape or form...they have a loss of love....therefore being fear. so its not so strange when you look at it this way


    also in regards to the first one....the fear of being by yourself. it makes sense to me. if you are fearful of losing your mind...you will be in a realm where noone understands you, the cheese stands alone kinda thing. noone likes to be the cheese.


    libertine, i completely agree with what you have said:D
     
  5. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    There is no need to fear my orgasm. You probably won't even notice.
     
  6. Professor Jumbo

    Professor Jumbo Mr. Smarty Pants

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    Everything can be boiled to two emotions you say?. That's like saying that all math can be boiled down 2+3 and 7-5 or that all georaphy can be boiled down to India and Surinam, or all botany can be boiled down to dandilions and parsnips. Oohhh, that really burns me up. Everybody always going around trying to boil every thing down to two totally arbitrary options. It simply makes no sense at all. Of course we have been bombarded with it by the media and politicians since the day of our birth so it is not hard to understand why people think in such a haphazard and stupid manner.

    "Oh yes, I'll take a vast, deep, and diffficult subject and boil it down to two random options. Why? because I lack the intellect to understand anything more complex than black vs. white. Pardon me while I go watch TV for seven hours."


    How about greed, contentment, anger, joyfulness, befuddlement, angst, pride, etc? Granted they can all be connected to fear and love, but then nearly all emotions can be connected to one another most of the time. Emotions are like that, we like to pretend that they are their own seperate creatures, but no they are all merely interacting parts of our emotional system.
    Oh ,and why are people who are "sexually inhibited in any way" going to necessarily experience a loss of love? All that they would necessarily experience is a loss of sex. Of course if you are of the opinion popular these days that sex is love and that's all there is to love then yes you would probably agree that loss of sex = loss of love.
    My grandparents probably have not had sex in decades, yet they are the two most loving people that I know. They still act like high school sweet-hearts (which they were when they married). It would be difficult to believe that they are experiencing a "loss of love". Or how about peple who don't believe in sex before marriage. So now they are unable to experience love until they get married and start fucking?

    About the fears now. I agree with what Libertine said about fear of loss, though I do think that there are other reasons as well, though most can be related to loss in a certain way. I, for example, am afraid of hornets and wasps and the like. Getting stung doesn't really hurt all that much considering, but still I'm afraid of them. This is probably due to the fact that as a kid I was always accidentally disturbing their nests and getting swarmed. So now I have this imprinted fear associated with getting swarmed by them, even if I see only one. This is a fear of extreme pain and discomfort. You could couch it in terms of loss of comfort or loss of contentment, but it is more straight forward to say that it is fear of extreme pain and discomfort.

    There is generalized fear of the unknown. Why that is scary to some peple is also unknown (which I find amusing). This general fear can be attached to several specific fears such as fear of death, fear of social or political change, and some others. However, I'm not quite sure how this would translated into fear of loss. Perhaps loss of the current familiar and comfortable situation. So we get comfort and loss again.

    This can be taken further of course and more probably intertwined general fears discovered, but this post is far too long already
     
  7. andcrs2

    andcrs2 Senior Member

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    For me, no.
     
  8. lynsey

    lynsey Banned

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    How many severly mentally ill people do you know who are married and have healthy and fulfilling friendships?

    I hate orgasming, was terrified of having one and did not have my first until I was on so many drugs and alchohol and sexual stimulants that I didn't have any control.
    Death is total fear of the unknown. If I know what to expect going into a situation no matter if it's positive or negative I am fine. If I am unable to analyze the situation and know what to expect I get really sick to my stomach. I hate dating, I hate scary or eventful movies, I hate new jobs, I haven't traveled a lot in the past few years and I am fine with it. I love stability even though I as a person am unstable and maybe that's why.
     
  9. Raving Sultan

    Raving Sultan Banned

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    Wow, fear of orgasm....
    In that case, I like to scare the shit of out myself everyday. That's one fear worth overcumming.
    Fear of going crazy is more about shame, if it was ok to be crazy then I would do it. I think its more fun than being sane.
    Oh and fear of death, hmmmm.
    There are times I think death will be welcome. Then I have my moments, usually when high that I get that fear of not wanting to let go. I still think I cling to life because I havent lived to my potential yet.
    I see myself being one of those guys that by 60 or if in a physically crippling state inviting death.
     
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