My natural journey to anarchism

Not sure if I can post this here, or if it should go in P&R forum, Anarchy forum or my personal forum, but since this is the place i usual talk about anarchism i figured Balbus wouldn't mind.
And if you think this post is too long, boring, stupid, whatever, you don't have to read it, let alone respond.


I'm not an anarchist out of a need to help my fellow man.

I'm not an anarchist because somebody needs to stand up to the evil state and evil capitalists.

I'm not an anarchist because i think the way the system works now is broken and unfixable or even fatally flawed.

I'm an anarchist, because fuck you, that's why.

My worldview is (and this is just how i percieve things) that no person or group of people are responsible for me and that i should not have to obey any person, group of people, moral system, value system, culture, religion, heritage, ect...

When i was young, and i mean really young, i thought that such an intense sense of rebellion (and not teen angst, want to scare my parents rebellion), such a deep deep hatred for the concept of authority over my person by another was a sign that something was wrong with me.

Then i came across some works by marx, smith, jesus, buddha, darwin, turner, goldman, bakunin, kropotkin, nieztche, boochin, mcquin, black, and one of my favs max "way the fuck out there" stirner.

So, in the words of that great band RATM, "fuck you i wont do what you tell me."

Why should i?

The way i see it we all act in our own self interest whether we are aware of it or not.

I just recognise what my self interests are and the best ways to obtain what i want.

complete autonomy is my dream.

like a bird, but one that doesnt even need the wind....

That'll be the day i know peace.

Don't get me wrong though.

That's not saying that i'm willing to live in a box on the street with a cardboard sign that reads, "fuck the man".

How would that be in my self interest unless that was something i would want to do?

(this is turning into a rant, but so what, if you don't want to read it you dont have to)

I think it started when i was a small child.

My mother was a single mom working 2 jobs, so i had a lot of responsibilties for a 6 year old. I cooked, i cleaned, i babysat my siblings.

So then when i went to school and was bossed around by teachers who didnt give a shit if i was learning anything or not, my feeling was "who the fuck are you to talk down to me like i'm an embicile?!!?".

(I took this futher when i was a teenager by removing myself from school and homeschooling myself through what would have been my highschool years)

And then about 8-9 years old i learned that i was biracial.

I looked white (but with good hair and a dark tan), i acted white (whatever that really means), and i talked white (again, whatever that really means), but did any of that matter? Was i white, or black, or mulatto? I came to realize that it didn't matter, because race and culture don't really matter.

You may enjoy being a part of a particular race/culture/ethicity (i won't pretend that having lighter skin has never been a benifit), but does that mean you owe alliegence to that race/culture/ethnicity?

Why?

I started to apply that same kind of thinking to matters of nationality and spirituality.

this was before i'd even heard the word anarchism mentioned in any context that it didn't mean chaos.

The biggest change took place when i became athiest/agnostic.
there was a really strange period in my teen years when i still believed in the judeo/christian god, but i hated his guts. Who was he to condemn me for anything knowing full well before he created me what decisions i would make, what environment i would be exposed to and what my ultimate destination in the afterlife would be (all those omni traits you understand).
Well fuck him!

After reading some interesting books on deism and panthiesm (i cant remember the guys name but he was a jewish guy from europe who was eventually excommunicated, i think it was spinoza or spinozi or something), my faith turned very deterministic. I hated it. The idea that my life and choices are already laid out for me. that i'm playing a role in a grand cosmic play.

The more i learned about about science, philosphy and the history of many theistic faiths the more i started to lean toward athiesm/agnoticism.

Once the issues of nationalism, race, culture, ethnicity and god (and moraly absolutism with that) were reject by my mind it was only a small step to reject the concepts of capitalism, state and land rights.

So i see this as a natural evolution of myself, not a cool subculture that i thought would be fun.

I find that to be the purist (though i hate using that word) form of anarchy.

No alliegence to any nation, faith, moral system, culture, heritage, ethnicity, language, geographic region, family, line of work (or even the concept of dividing life into work/play), philosophy or politics ( not left, not right, not even "anarchism").

Anything i choose to be a part of is because it's my choice. That holds true for everyone, but the majority of people don't realize that they have that choice.




anyways, just a little rant about me and anarchism

 

You're an angry confused kid with a lot of self acceptance issues. See a therapist.

 

That's basically the masonic New World Order philosophy in a nutshell.

Like Marxists and socialists, the aim of so-called Anarchism has always been about the breakdown of the family and moral structure, the evisceration of national sovereignty in favor of a centralized world government, the abolition of property rights, systemic indoctrination of all children, and everything else outlined in Weishaupt's occult writings.

Like I said before, socialism and anarchism are essentially the same in that -- contrary to the rhetoric spoonfed to the public to mislead -- both strive to bring about the same ending, though at the superficial level appear to be opposed to each other and are often played off against one another.

It's just more dialectical process.

 

Theres a reason for everything though, for instance without a form of government or even religion for that matter then we as a human race would struggle to live in peace, to have morals and etc. Of course there is an instinct to disobey these boundaries that are set in stone but in the end you must realize they are set for a reason.

Lets face it, without these rules and regulations we as a society would fail. We'd all like to be completely free and live in peace and be united as a global community but its just not how it works.

 

This from the neo-nazi white nationalist.

Here's a clue a-hole, no government/race/nation/heritage/culture can love you back.

 

Umm, not really.

i want no government, not world government.

i love my family and the give me love in return. If my son kills my daughter should i continue to love him? Why?

The forcible protection of Land rights are the ultimate in government intrusion.
a piece of land deeded to you by the state somehow magically means that is now your land? Who gave the state that land?

i certainly never advocated the indocrination of children.

Morality has always been subjective, even before it was articulated and put on paper.

and the NWO system would still have me pledging alliegence to something outside myself without my choice.

I think i would be helping the NWO more by sitting on my computer all day and drinking imported beers than by encouraging others to think for themselves...

 

not true, we went without government and organized dogmatic religion for centuries.

See my thread on Anarchy and Human Nature: http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141313

 

Yes, I understand that, Shane. I understand what your beliefs are and that your intentions are pure. But what you don't understand is that there is ALWAYS a difference between how things are sold to the masses and how they are for those behind it all. The same thing applies to socialism, which casts itself in an idealistic light but in reality is anything but what its followers believe it to be. There are always two belief systems when applied to something like this: one for the Elite and one for the commoners.

 

Yup. A confused angry kid who probably never had a father figure, is a loner and has potential for violent hostility to authority figures. You probably looked up to those Columbine killers didnt ya fella?? You wear a dark trenchcoat? I hear alot of you self styled "anarchists" are into that. Get a girlfriend, get out more, dont vegetate in your Mom's basement, do some volunteer work with underpriveleged people. I think you will find that that the simmering hatred in your head can be safely released this way.

 

i think you've raised some interesting points here. i, too, lean toward anarchism. i have a real problem with giving anyone authority over me...always have. i don't stick around anywhere or anyone if i'm not treated well. the only thing is, in my heart i don't believe there's any way to be truly free...because your own human nature will betray you with a desire to have human contact. and if other humans aren't available who will provide such contact without the usual accompanying oppression, you're pretty screwed no matter what you do. to me this is the quandary of being a human.

 

That is not anarchism. That is nihilism.

 

My mother lives in a seperate state and more than a 2 hours drive from me. I moved out when i turned 18.
My girlfriend and i are about to have our second boy. Our first just turned 2 years old.
I spent 8 1/2 hours on saturday working on a home for habitat for humanity. I think that qualifies as "volunteer work with underpriveleged people", though i would just call it a good way to spend a saturday afternoon.

Not an angry teen, guy.

Just a man who knows who and what he is not.

And i'm definety not something as ambiguous as a race/nation/heritage/culture.

Want to try again?

 

post-left, individualistic, primitivist, insurrectionist, illegalist, nihilistic anarchism

if you insist on labels.
which i dont', and of course i reserve the right to evolve past those labels...

 

There is alot of Stirner infulence in you Shane. Of coruse Anarchism is in self intrest but I really came to it for helping others. Really Shane no body can actually "Control" people unless they break their will like in 1984. Like Striner said society is a spook.

 

Yeah, i didn't think so...

 

That is true, but life is a battle of wills.
Nobody can truely control me, but that doesn't mean i should let them try.

You say you "really came to it for helping others", but isn't even that because of a feeling of satisfaction for doing the right thing? Doesn't helping other make you feel a sence of accomplishment?

Still self interest.

 

True, very true.

Sure I feel good because but, to be turly un-selfish, I must think of others first and help them for the sake of them, not the feeling I get from it. But that is a differnt topic...

on a side note I became an Anarchist after I found that I couldn't agree with Marx on everything. So it would be more correct to say I became communsit for the sake of helping and Anarchism followed.

 

You know, most of the anarchists i talk to have previously been libertarians or communists and realized that niether was much different than the system that it was supposed to be challenging.

And i see what you a saying about helping others, but i thinks that's part of being human. I think if it weren't for the fucked up way that we approach each other (hierachy, status) we wouldn't have 1/2 the problems we have today.

 

Shane, you read Sartre right? There is collusion in our thinking. Anarchism is ok with me unless it's the whining utopia brand of anarchism. But I also think reading Marx and Nietzsche is not a matter of choice. Not doing so is taking freedom a little too far...

P.S. I'm also bi-racial, had no father figure, and suffer from an Oedipal complex which hampers my productivity and leaves me unfulfilled in most of my human interaction. That is why I'd also recommend Freud, Wilhelm Reich, and Otto Gross if you can read motherfucking German.

 

Reich i was looking for the other day, Gross i havent been able to find an english translation.

Sartre, Marx, Nietzsche, Freud

all of the above with mixed feelings.

Psychoanalysis has too many branches to count(much like anarchism).

I'm working my way through it though...