Harming animals in youth

HEY, YOU said "no self rightous bullshit." Obey your own rules, dude.....

 

i've killed insects because they piss me off but i never torured them.

 

hehe. and they're so mean, too. our neighbors adopted some baby racoons whose mother was hit by a car on the road. they got enough to feed them through the bad weather then set them free. but BOY were those critter hostile. really neat, though. my dad's friend managed to get 4or 5 racoons to eat from his hand after a few years, but we had to watch from indie his house.

 

I don't know, KC. I've spent most of my life around animals. I am am Omnivore, (although I used to be a Veggie) and don't begruge those who use animals for food, if they need to. But, I was a really sensitive kid. I used to cry A LOT! (Not no nore......)

ledzep is right, though, at least in the Psychological spectrum. Torturing is a hella different than killing a bug or killing to eat, at least in a lot of people's minds. AFAIK, being an Omnivore isn't a warning sign of impending serial killer-ness.

 

I wouldn't approach a racoon, unless I was sure it was dead. They DO defend themselves and their children and their families. Bear (my dh) is always afraid that one of the Malamutes is gonna get his ass kicked by a Racoon. In fact, if we see one in our area, we let the dogs in. Better to avoid a tangle. I've seen them, it ain't pretty. some of our Mals have carried Raccoon or Skunk scars their entire lives. (Skunks are mean as hell, they are weasels. We found dead one yesterday, and Sage started crying. *sigh* She's too much like mama was.)

 

Thank you, I'm behaving myself.

 

well, there are exceptions to every rule. i never saw the point in needlessly harming something. but living out in the country, you see a lot more of that unclean, nasty life and death cycle than you do in the city limits.

 

racoons are fucking huge and mean. it may notkill the malamute, but there will definitely be pain and vet bills involved, i'm sure.

 

Not only that but the higher up the food chain (from mice to coons/ skunks)
the greater the chance of rabies... generally speaking.

 

I don't live in the City. (I'm not sure if you meant "you" as in "Me" just in general.) We live in a semirural enviroment. Have more than an acre, with lots of animals ect. Yes, birth, life and death can be nasty and messy. But beautiful, also.

Not really. Many Native American tribes would apoligise to the animals they killed and ate, after the killing and before the eating. It's not silly at all.

 

yes! that's it exactly. my grandpa taught us this. you can feel a certain remorse for their pain, gratitude for their sacrifice, as well as the thrill that once again you've successfully provided food for your family. every time you look in the freezer, every time you prepare it, you remember all those things. it gives the whole process such a profundity.

 

Malamutes are huge, big ass, mean ass animals if they wanna be, jester. But, they can be hurt by a Racoon. Racoons are VERY strong and intelligent animals. We've had the Vet bill KC was talking about, and like andcs said, we also make sure their Rabies vaccies are always up to date.

The last reported rabies in our County was about 5 years ago, and it was a HORSE, in a Domestic farm. It was obviously bitten by something....who knows what, bat, racoon, skunk, badger, woodchuck ect. They all live in our area.

 

Damn right. We are always thankful as well. I sometimes feel like a wimp or even a bit hippocritical, because we as do eat some meat (not my dd, Moon, she's a veg*n) but we don't do any of the dirty work, just drive to the Jewel.......

 

this is completely off topic but is anyone else unable to start a new thread? i can only reply to them

 

you know, for a couple of years, when i was in college, i was vegan. i did this thesis for my math class showing the environmental damages caused cattle production and agribusiness. it put me off meat. but i hated being vegan. but i couldn't see my way to buying beef in the store, or chicken or whatever. it's just so wasteful, and i'd been a pretty ardent conservationist. so i became a hunter. we'd been in socal, and i hadn't been in YEARS, not since granpa (who's cherokee). coming out to the rocky mountains, living in semi-rural areas surrounded by pristine wilderness and small ranches helped to bridge the gap between my personal desires and my ethical concerns.

 

I admire your doing what your ancestors and your conscience led you to. It is good to be in tune with the way one lives.

Hugs, Maggie

 

thanks, maggie. it's nice to have been able, for once in my life, find a completely satisfying balance.

 

When I was a tiny rugrat I pulled the legs off of spiders and left their little bodies laying.. Other than that I'm innocent.

 

When I was a boy I yanked the heads off live dove after shootin dem out of the sky!
They was gooooood eatin!

 

eek. i've always wondered about people who hunt doves. how do you cook them? we get geese and duck, make jerky or stew. but it's a bit more meat.