male/female question

Discussion in 'Cannabis and Marijuana' started by MikeE, Sep 2, 2006.

  1. MikeE

    MikeE Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Everyone grows female plants. Almost everyone kills male plants ASAP.

    My understanding is that this is because once the female is pollinated, it starts making (unsmokable) seeds.

    But consider the male plant. It has a flower. That flower can be smoked.

    Why are female flowers prefered?
    Has there been any investigation of the (possibly) different medical effects of male flowers?

    Has anyone smoked a male flower?

    Hmmm??
     
  2. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    male flowers produce VERY little to no THC.
    yes the flower Can be smoked, but so can pretty much anything....
    female flowers are preferred for an obvious reason... because they produce MUCH more THC.

    the medical effects of the marijuana plant come from the different cannabinoids(THC, CBD, CBN, etc.) produced. the male plant does produce many of these cannabinoids but in far LESS quantities than the female plant. the best use for a male plant is for making hash.
    in order to not contaminate the female plant and keep the male plants you would need a separate indoor grow room which would waste electricity, supplies, money, etc. its not worth it. so people choose to grow the female plant.
     
  3. MikeE

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    So the difference in THC level is that large. Thanks.
     
  4. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    the BEST the male can do is about 1% THC
    where as the female plant has its BEST performance at about 30% THC (though this is extremely rare, and can only be achieved under the best conditions)
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    the average schwag is about 2%-3% THC
    the average mids are 5%-10% THC
    the average dank is about 12%-15% THC
    the average headies are anywhere from 15%-20%-UP THC

    this isn't the most accurate scale, but its pretty close. i got the information when i was putting together a study on the LD50 of THC.
     
  5. MikeE

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    Thank you, I didn't know there was that much difference.

    By the way, what is the LD50? I want to be careful.

    Safety first!
     
  6. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    The LD-50 is reported to be somewhere between 40,000 to 80,000+. Depending.
    Which means that you need between 40,000 and 80,000+ normal doses all at once to kill 50% of test subjects. all these numbers are scientific speculation because no human has died yet. the only way this is possible is to condense the THC and inject/eat it.

    A normal dose, according to the DEA and other sources, is between 4mg and 20mg of THC to produce a high. which converts into between .0000088Lbs and .000044Lbs of pure THC to produce a high.
    so, if you do the calculations....(carry the 2, divide by the numerator and such)

    It takes between 5.5oz to 3.5Lbs of pure THC to kill 50% of the test subjects. It varies so greatly depending on tolerance, body size, weight.

    the average potency of weed is about 10%THC according to a few studies.
    so, in the case of smoking, id say you have to smoke anywhere between 3.4Lbs to 35Lbs of fairly potent Marijuana within 15 mins to OD on the THC


    Willy_wonka_27
     
  7. MikeE

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    So, to have a 50% chance of living, I have to smoke less than 40,000 normal doses.

    40,000 normal doses = 80,000 gm. = 2857 oz. = 179 lb. = 80 Kg.

    That's one big bong!!!

    I think I'm safe.
     
  8. campfire-fly

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    So could males be good / ok for cooking if one had male plants?
     
  9. dirtybongwater

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    there really is no GOOD reason to cook with or smoke males.
     
  10. rangerdanger

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    A male flower if you want to call it that is really more of a pollen sac, and is about as big as a pot seed. It is comprized mostly of pollen and won't get you high.
    However, the leaves of both males and females contains THC (and other psycho-active components). The THC can be extacted by the oil method (simmering the dried leaves in butter for 30 min.). The oil will be low potency but can be increased thusly:
    Instead of using enough oil to completely saturate the leaves, use only 1/2 that much, and replace the remainder with water.
    Simmered, the THC will collect in the oil, and then after straining it you can let the container sit opened for a day or 2 and the water will evaporate.
    You vcan also make low-potency kif/hash/oil from male and female leaves.
     
  11. Lucharchan

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    Well I have read several websites and threads to not just throw out the male plant, but smoke it. Although their is less THC, its still marijuana. Its a bit uncalled for to grow a plant for a few months find out its male and toss it.
     
  12. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    thats like smoking very poor qualty, nasty tasting leaf schwag.
    but what ever floats your boat...
     
  13. StonerBill

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    a way of looking at it is that male and female plants are made of the same things like male and female people are. both males and females have breasts but only the females develop theirs in general because of hormonal influences. but men can produce milk, and do produce organs suitable. male plants have the information in them to produce thc but in the male parts, they just dont. there would be no point to. thc is used in the photosynthetic system of the plant - thus it can be produced on the plant depending on its need for energy via photosynthesis. male parts need none of this, they need to produce lots of sperm/pollen and put all their energy into that. female parts however need to draw a lot of energy in order to create seeds. thus, the plant puts its energy into building a cannabinoid layer around the potential seeds, and this thc enhances the desired intake of certain wavelengths of light.
    once the pollen enters the female part, it must then put its energy into making seeds, and so it stops producing more thc, and this thc layer remains long enough to give the buds a large advantage in retreiving the right energy to push the synthesis of seeds - embyros of new plants.

    so male parts dont need photosynthesis - it doesnt take much energy to split cells vio meiosis (like testicles making sperm - it happens frequently and on a large scale, but doesnt require much energy. unlike having a baby - women can eat profusely when pregnant for example).

    leaves do photosynthesis all the time, and thus benefit from cannabinoids (as well as the potential for cannabinoid production probably being present in all photosynthetic parts of the plant), but not enough to put in a lot of resources for building a visible fuzz around them (cept in dank plants near the buds).

    female parts exist only to make seeds. when theyre not making seeds, they are a waste to not try to optimise its environment for when the seeds do grow. so they either build cannabinoid wall and then focus on their babies.

    so you dont want to pollenate the chicks caus you want them to keep thinking theyre about to have kids, and thus trick them into only making this beautiful wall, and then killing them and smoking them before they can waste time and energy on making seeds (only a waste if you wanna get high of course - hemp seeds are awesome things of nature)
     
  14. rob1134

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    what about female leaves?? any thc in them?
     
  15. mr.greenxxx

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    yea, but as said allready leaves are best for hash not smoking
     
  16. StonerBill

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    female and male leaves are essentially the same, except in size - just as the male plant is taller and stringier, the male leaves can be observed to be longer and thinner; but i think a bigger influence there is the strain
     

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