circumcised men?

Only for those guys that are too lazy (or have a too low IQ) to wash themeslves.....

 

Not everybody washes themself 27/7..............


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medica...n#Possible_protections_gained_by_circumcision

There's a great article on it.

 

Who really cares... Im uncut and im normal. Its not such a big thing yeh? hehe and everyone hould wash themself 27/7

 

women don't wash 24/7, and i don't see too many guys shying away.

 

Just as a side note, as a grad student and teaching assistant at a university...

Wikipedia is a joke for a reference. If a student uses wikipedia for a paper, their grade drops. The lack of oversight and the amazing number of inaccuracies posted on wikipedia has gained quite a bit of popular media attention of late.

Does anyone have any credible references on the topic? Because nobody should be convinced by anything found on wikipedia (unless it's a link to a credible source of information).

 

As for the topic at hand, I would never circumsize a child of mine. I disagree with whichever poster argued that the mutilated penis looks better -- asthetics are so subjective.

Not having read the actual journal articles publishing the studies (including methodology and specific results), I can't comment on the connection between reducing HIV infections and circumcision. However, my child will be fully educated on the risks and the proper use of condoms (the misinformation getting to people in some parts of Africa is really sick -- if you go to BBC news online now, you'll see stories about some high ranking official in South Africa telling people to treat HIV with ginger and beetjuice, I think it is... Who needs anti-retroviral drugs when you can just munch on some ginger, right? So what is this person telling people about HIV prevention?).

In terms of other infections, except in the rare case of a minor birth defect causing the foreskin to cause problems, proper hygiene has been shown to be equally or more effective in preventing infections. Given that I am in a structural position of relative affluence -- I have a home with running water, a water heater, and regular access to soap -- my child should never have to worry about this potential benefit of circumcision, either.

 

Wikipedia has citations for a reason.

 

Wikipedia is a joke. Anyone can edit it. Say I wanted to prove a point. I edit a page in Wikipedia so it furthers my argument, then I reference it.

 

Wikipedia has citations for a reason.

And why in god's name would I go in and edit the article that I linked to in this thread? The article is extensive. I wasn't even trying to make an argument about what people should be doing with their genitals. My point was that there are medical reasons to look further and examine research in the matter of circumcisions. That's it.

 

I don't know where you go,but at my college wikipedia is allowed as a joke, and as someone said, information on wikipedia is sourced, and frankly, how often has wikipedia led anyone wrong here? Besides, if you don't believe, go look it up somewhere else, it is giving an argument for both sides too.

That one article has almost 180 outside references.

 

My post may appear to be accusing you of this, but this was not my intention. I was trying to point out one of the more obvious reasons why wikipedia should not be referenced.

The very nature of wikipedia makes it unreliable; and the fact that wikipedia includes citations does not change this.

And a joke it will remain... at least in academic circles.

 

That's great!!! I don't go there, so I didn't know that.

Now I can point that out to my students as further reason citing wikipedia is irresponsible and lazy! You don't even have to search out the references, just follow up to see if the references back up what is says on wikipedia!

By the way, have you bothered to do this? As in, follow up on even one or two of the references, to see whether the wikipedia article author is accurate? Trust me, I've seen plenty of people cite something, but completely misrepresent what was there or worse -- never even actually read it, just fluffing up the list of refs.

 

That's like saying using a book is a bad reference because no one bothers to go check all the references listed in the bibliography.

Jeez, at least wikipedia tries to keep a policy of neutrality, most everything in any subject that isn't strictly a medical report is biased towards one way.

 

Now this is a thread that has really gone off topic.

I was born uncircumcised and I've stayed that way for 20 years with no problems. I figure my foreskin is there for a purpose.

 

Yeah, me thinks your foreskin is there for a purpose. And that purpose is to cut it off, and wrap it all around the wikpedia website.:<)) Sorry, just could not resist that one.

 

i clicked "your sons circumcised penis" and none of the info on that page has ever happened to me, and im circumcised.

 

Didn't happen to me either. But it was the best info source I could find.

Just on general principles, leave well enough alone. Unless there is a clear reason to circumsize, it shouldn't be done.

(Hmmmm..why isn't a prophelactic appendectomy standard medical practice?)

 

This topic generates long threads regardless of where it's mentioned.

Unfortunately there's never really a rational discussion. People like me feel likes it's important to stop circumcision from being more-or-less the default, but as soon as you say circumcision is not good circumcised men, understandably, feel like you're saying there's something wrong with their penis and that's definitely a sensitive subject.

 

To answer the original question...

In post-WWII American, white, Protestant boys in middle-class families were circumcized simply because it was the norm (even though many of their dads were uncut). The cynic in me says it was done so the doctor could add another item to his bill.

 

I was born into a Jewish family (at least my father was Jewish) so yeah I was circumcized. I apparently have little sensitivity and am not enjoying sex, at least according to the experts. I suppose I shall have to do more research...