Atheists of the world unite

Any western political system in its thinking should abandon the idea of god.
It is no longer acceptable to belong to a religious organisation and yet still hold claim to be either rational or intelligent. The religions of the world have had thousands of years to put together a conclusive and irrefutable evidence that would show they know of the existence of god,
not a belief but a knowledge.
Since there is not one shred of indesputable and coherent evidence it is time for all rational and intelligent people to war against those who persist in the stoneage concepts and ridiculous or barbaric practices of religion. It is time to actually pursue those whose foolish and ignorant beliefs have led this world into two thousand years of war in gods name. I say that all religion should be stamped out like the life of a rabid dog. Christianity, Islam, - if it claims there is god - smash it down and bring order and reason back to the world

 

bring order and reason BACK to the world?.....were all mad here man.....

what world do you live in.....??


if this did happen, i would see technology advancing in more expediant mannor

also, i think the mentality of most young religious affiliates these days is "better safe than sorry.....i dont wanna go to hell"......so just relax......mainstream religion is being replaced by agnosticism veeerrry slowly.....but thats mostly because of drugs....

 

You catch more flies with honey...

I think if you could get atheists to actually gather and do more community and charity work, it might help dispell some of the bad PR we have going.

Under an advertised atheist heading, not humanist, or whatever..Not that there's anything wrong with humanists.


Herding cats, I know..Just an idea.

Google search..Athiest charities- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=atheist+charities&btnG=Google+Search

 

The evidence that the USA's government and establishment is moving ever further toward fundamentalist christianity (theofascism to coin a phrase) would contradict your statement

The only bad PR is when religious nutcases, and those without enough sense to think for themselves rather than follow a religion, get into a fight with each other and kill thousands of millions of people, as the last 2500 years of history have shown

BTW Many people are locked away in insane asylums because they babble on about imaginary beings, I cannot see there is any justification for allowing people with religious affiliations to remain in society. Just because millions of people claim god exists, does not actually mean their beleifs are rational or sane. My reason for saying those people should be pursued is because they not only hold an insane view but a criminally insane view -
religious leaders have always been prepared to committed mass murder in the name of god, which sane and rational men dispute exists
Take for example muslims and Christians - their beliefs are insane

 

were are you getting your "evidence".....i havnt ghasped in a good while....its about time i had a good ghasp.....

(a link if you could?)

 

krishnamurti has something to say about that word "should". there are things it improves the odds, or makes them worse, by doing or not doing. when we say should we generaly mean those behaviours and priorities who'se influence on the world we all have to live in are in the direction of making it more desirable rather then less so. or at least that's what most people subconscously think and perhaps conscously intend, when they use the word should.

i would aggree that any rational nation "durives its just powers from the concent of the governed" and not some belief in devine right of theological hierarchy.

there is certainly no avoidance of tyranny in prioritising any belief ahead of the kind of world we all have to live in. there's none in fanatical anti-theism either though.

we DON'T KNOW what there is or isn't. that much i'll aggree with totaly. that's just a matter of being honest with ourselves to realize that. and if we wish to avoid tyranny we do need to start with honesty, at least with ourselves.

if you tell someone they can't have something though, i mean it's a wonder, if you told people they couldn't jump off a cliff everyone wouldn't turn arround and do just that.

so the whole idea of trying to repress religeon like that just doesn't work, any more then trying to repress adolescent sexuality. without religeon as an excuse for political opportunism it would just use some other. we've seen that too.

and it's the political opportunism itself that starts the wars, and as we've seen recently, sometimes deliberately and for no other reason, and that is the problem. belief just makes it possible for political opportunists to raise armies to fight and die in them. of course if that wasn't possible the bully boys wouldn't get as far, that much is true.

whatever god or gods there are, that they haven't struck us down themselves, would seem to me to indicate, have no great love for our using them as an excuse to bash each other over the heads, or even for our doing so without using them as one.

unite yes, unite in fellowship, in shaired common intrests, in persuit of universal well being,

not

in the bitterness of some shared antithisis

save a common concern in the avoidance of causing suffering and the harm that causes suffering.

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Thank you THEMNAX ! I knew when i posted the statement I would get someone to talk some sense in opposition to it. I did mean every word of it though. It is not enough to have the satisfaction of knowing or believing one is right. I know I am right about the fact that when theists talk of god, they must prove it else they are in the tenuous predicament that I and people like me can say "you are talking nonesense" god doesnt exist so to utter the word "god" is lunacy. If it is lunacy then it also makes sense to say. For the sake of humankind we must fight these idiots and lunatics and move the world to reason
However your words seem to bring into my mind the idea ofpolitical astuteness. My logic may be the winner but to ban religion would be political ineptitude. Yes I see that
and still I believe that reason should be the thing we live and die for, logic and reason over belief and corruption. The ideal versus the reality

Yes you have given me a lot to think about - thank you THEMNAX !

 

I just know actions speak louder than words. Best wishes to you. Blind faith makes me grit my teeth.

 

Erm.... The president of the USA is a christian fundamentalist, actually believes the earth was created in about a week, sometime around 4000 years ago, regardless of evidence which would negate that theory. The USA is after all a place where christianity thrives and is perhaps one of the most christian countries on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity

you might want to see how people in the USA are reacting to issues such
as the abortion debate and the issues to do with stem cell research in the USA etc etc etc
The consensus in US politics is toward the conservative values of the church, and that consensus appears to be growing stronger.

 

america has always been a christian country....i dont doubt that....but who told you fundamentalist christianity was an increasing matter....

im agnostic....and i dont support killing babies either....

our government and church is seprate....so does it matter?

 

America was not founded under Christianity...

Most of our founding fathers were atheist/agnostic/deist. Read the constitution and Treaty of Tripoli, it's clear that they did not intend the US to be founded or based on one particular religion.

 

noone said america was founded under christianity.....we were suggesting most americans themselves are in fact christians or belonging to one of the religions spawned from christianity....

and could the reason they didnt want the united states to be founded or based on one particular religion have anything to do with freedom?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

it says they cant not let you practice free religion......this hardly sounds like work influenced by religious/non religious ideology


sounds like ethical guidelines to me....

 

If thats the case then perhaps your president should either keep his hand out of the till, or his nose out of the church, but since he has, famously, owned up to being a creationist fundamentalist, and actively campaigns on issues related to the concerns of right wing christians, giving his opinion a right wing bias, then it would seem to suggest that he is trying to lead the USA toward a less liberal view, one that is dominated by right wing sentiments
feel free to click the links in the quotes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity

 

i hardly think george bush is leading america anywere but war......wat does he have like a 30% approval rating? our government isnt controlled by theistic views....our commanger and cheif may address some of their issues but that doesnt imply anything.....

we'll finish this in 2 years lol....

 

Well.... how many politicians are there out of the 250 million population there? How many americans can claim to be able to push votes through on the issue of abortion etc ? your politicians - thats it !
so GW and his family have dictated that abortion is bad, and that stem cell research is bad, why? both these ideas seem tollerable and reasonable to me given the circumstances are right and its done according to the wishes of the law. Bush argues that at the bottom of his argument is a christian belief and its his christian beliefs that dictate the way he and his family sympathise.
Theres a lot more at stake than GW leading us to war, he was also on British TV at the time our government was proposing that kids should be taught the creationists theory of how the universe came to exist. YEAH BUT IN SCIENCE CLASSES !
Bush is in support of that idea too - now how is that a separation of church and state?

 

Your freedomd ends, where other's freedom begins.

 

Their freedom ends the minute they plant bombs a few hundred metres from where I work and where my family go. The minute those people declared war agains the infidel, they declared war against everyone. The very minute that the pope made a speech designed to anger the muslim world is the minute he threatened my right to live peacefully. If those idiots want to fight each other at least let them prove that god exists and whose side hes on
like cromwell said: "every army believes god is on their side. I often think god must wonder who is on his side"

BTW socrates meant this as a joke

 

dude you fight god as if he really existed... people have the right to believe in whatever they want, it's none of your business really

 

word....^^

 

Its my business as long as there are people either too lazy or too stupid to actually say it like it is - if everyone were to be allowed to believe anything then you basically end up with the situation we have now - where these "god lovers" insanity is killing people who belive absolutely like you do that we should do nothing about the insanity of religion.
Also, taking your line of reasoning here - if its none of my business to argue against them - then its none of your business to defend them or to argue against me. so whats your point?
Further to that I'd say - if youre asking why I'm arguing against religion here - well thats because its the atheist forum and thats what atheists do.
Have you got any more of your cleverest arguments?
Also you come from Portugal, which to my knowledge has not been bombed by religious maniacs, so when you have experience of having to work in a city (like London) that has constantly been bombed by religious lunatics since 1972 then tell me I am wrong - till then whats your point?