diference between Islam and christianity?

You are looking at it theologically, while you need to look at it more non-evaluative and cross-cultural Haha, I'm doing religious studies in university. :rolleeys:

But no, I do agre with you to an extent that Muslims believe that A Triune god is blathemy, but they also beleive that the bible was corrupted and the idea of Christ's divinity was fabricated. So the God would be the same, but the belief is different because of what man did.

Chrsitian theology would say that a belief in allah and belief in God the Father aren't right because Allah "has no son" as is often stated. Muslim theology would say that belief in the Triune God and Allah together are wrong becaue Allah is not Triune, but that Chrisitnas are acctually trying to worship Allah, but have failed because the bible is corrupted. Historically, all 3 Abrahamic religions have come from Abraham's God. Allah, God the Father, and YHWH are all the same God, but the founders of Christianity and Islam have a differernt realization of the nature of this God.

 

When we are trying to determine what God people worship I think theology is a pretty good place to start.

But we're getting off topic and going to the question Who is God? What is the real God really like? This is no doubt an important question, the question, but what we were discussing was is the Allah of Islam that same as the God of the Bible? Do they worship the same God? Just from these few major, fundamental beliefs that were mentioned, we can see that the answer is obviously no.

If someone told me I am trying to worship the Allah of Islam it would be silly. I know the God I worship, the Triune God of the Bible.

 

I feel that God could have 7 billion faces. One for each person. He could appear differently to each of us. It makes sense to me. I just don't see the benefit in telling others they are wrong. Almost all of us do it. The majority of theists I meet tell me that it is not possible for both views to be correct. One must be wrong, and its not theirs. I say they both may be correct. so they differ? so what? I'm here, you're there, we differ, so what? We are both right about where we are but have different answers. I wonder why the Qu'ran specifically makes it clear that Jews and Christians are better than non believers, and as fellow believers they deserve to be treated with more respect than heathens deserve. As a heathen, it is not important to me, but doesn't it mean they feel some kinship? I think so.

 

But if different religions lead to the same God, if they all are true, then why do they contradict each other? Does truth contradict itself?

For instance, Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in the flesh where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time.

Jesus claims in the Bible that He alone is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6) Jesus cannot be the only way and truth and other religions also be the truth.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or Jesus is false.

 

This is circular reasoning. You're not going beyond the Bible to help substantiate your answers...all you're saying is "I believe the Bible is correct".

Again, circular reasoning. Although different scriptures may not make the same revelations about God, it doesnt necessarily follow that they aren't referring to the same God.

I may believe this, and you may, but if they don't...it still doesn't establish as absolute fact that they are wrong.

This answer is still phrased in terms of your subjective belief.
If the God of Islam doesn't appear to be the God of Christianity, making apples-to-apples comparisons between the Gods of the Bible and Quran and cultural practices associated with the two faiths is the only way you can mount an argument...and neither of you can make a superior argument, only a more clever one.

I would too. Where's Cat?

 

Burbot...is this with a vocation in mind or more as a general interest?

I've thought about the same thing, 57 is getting up there though...

 

Again, I'm not trying in this post to answer the question Who is God or Is The Allah of Islam real. I'm saying when someone worships the God of the Bible they are not worshiping the Allah of Islam.

It is an easy concept to understand. Christians worship Jesus Christ as God. Muslims do not.

I used the Bible for the purpose of showing the God that I worship.

If I asked a Muslim if they worshiped my God and Savior Jesus Christ they would say without a doubt, no. They would say Jesus Christ is not God. This is considered an unforgivable sin to Muslims.

I can tell you that I do not worship Allah. I worship the God revealed in the Bible.

 

well I did, I asked some muslims and they said without hesitation that they believe they worship the very same god that christians worship, except that by definition christians proclaim jesus to be the son of god, and worship the son of god too. Muslims also forbid idols - much more than christians do, infact the banish all forms of drawing of religious iconography, and favour the abstraction of mosaics etc.

Why do you believe that only christians have the right to call their worship of god the only true religion? Muslims are much more generous in respect of the fact that they believe christians are right about the god they worship but feel that christians have corrupted the meaning of the bible, and have mistakenly identified the status of jesus
In other words the bible was written by more than one person, and was re-written many times to suit the political stance of various kings and emperors, and is mistaken about the role of jesus in the affairs of god.

 

Well it is my major, but in no way am i looking to be a pastor or anyhting. Religious studies is more like anthro and is not theological at all really. I am still in "intro to world religions" but i love it so far. I reall yhave no idea what sort of job you can get with a relig. degree...

But i felt that religious topic kept on poping up everywhere in my life and in my studies so I think God was saying "hey idiot, this is waht i want you to do"...or not, either way it is what i am doing...

 

I did a couple of religious survey courses early on as well...Eastern Civ & New Testament...but other than very briefly considering Episcopal priesthood, religion was never a vocational option...at this point I'd advise getting plenty of computer apps training no matter what you decide on, then at least you'll be employable at good pay even if can't resist the more philosophical path as far as your major university studies.

Technology really has given people a lot more freedom of choice...when I finished high school it was either go into a trade or college and then business or a traditional profession, unless you had $$$ or family business waiting.

 

SO THEY DIFFER SO WHAT? Well thats the problem. If God is real, and He speaks only truth, then most beliefs must be wrong. Yet, if God is a liar, then believe what you will, because in the end it will make no difference. If the living God is just fabricating stories, then chances are, all of our beliefs are nothing but lies and half truths anyway. The Bible states the Devil is a liar, and I believe it is the Devil who is in control of most religions. And the Devil has a lie for everyone. And there appears to be know shortage of people who are willing to stand up and believe his lies wherever they may find them.

 

Yeah, I drug it out a little too long, sorry...sometimes with a pointed line of questions I'm trying to answer the ones within myself...

 

Campbell, have you ever given the briefest consideration to the possibility that God might speak to individuals in more ways than one, or is this just completely out of your range?

Blaming "the Devil" is a convenient and rather medieval-era method of stonewalling when you're faced with questions that don't fit your model of reality or that you don't have sufficient knowledge of to discuss intelligently.

I've been a member here for two years plus, had lots of "discussions" with you, and have finally come to the conclusion that you're mentally ill.

 

Well it's good you investigated it to find out the answer but I don't think you're looking at this logically. Jesus Christ is my God. I worship Him. He is the God of the Bible.

If I ask a practicing Muslim if they worship Jesus Christ as God they will say no. If asked them if the Allah of Islam is the Jesus Christ of the Bible they would say no, as would I. Muslims consider the Christian declaration of Jesus Christ's deity the unforgivable sin. How then is the Allah of Islam the God of the Bible?

Again, good questions but not the topic at the moment. The question is is the Allah of Islam the God of the Bible. Do Muslims worship the God of the Bible? Christians believe Jesus Christ is God and worship Him as such. Will a Muslim say that a Christian is right in doing this?

 

They take Jesus to be a prophet but consider him to have been wrongly upheld as the son of god by his followers, since jesus himself did not write any part of the bible, muslims feel that jesus is a good man who was used by god as a way of spreading gods word, but the followers of christ made up the story that he was the son of god -
Anyway I always think that is a very interesting relationship, that muslims and christians have, in the sense that they actually accept at least some (even if a small percentage) of whats written in each others book, but just cant (fundamentally? LOL) get along. Christians really cant abide the muslim text but I know many muslims who avidly read both the Qurran and the Bible, to gain more spiritual insight. Infact one of my friends treats his bible as reverently as he treats his Qurran, because he believes God had a hand in writing both.

 

I believe God can speak to many people in many ways also, yet I donot believe God counterdicts Himself. God does not tell one group you must work your way to heaven, while telling another group salvation comes only by the blood of Christ, and then to another group he states there is no salvation. As far as blaming the Devil, it is the Bible that points this out. It is the Bible that states he is the prince of liars. He is the one that brings confusion to the nations. The concept of the Devil is not my model of reality, it is the Bibles. I am only agreeing with that belief.
And naturally you must believe I am mentally ill, because if the stories I have told you here are true, that would be a big disruption to your belief system. And naturally, anyone who counters your view, must be mentally ill.

 

OK...I believe that God speaks to individual people or civilizations according to time, place, circumstance, and their capacity to hear and understand, can and does communicate through multiple scriptures, and can seemingly contradict himself...he's God, right?

I don't wholly disbelieve this idea either...at least in the sense that there are very powerful asuras or demonic personalities that can influence mankind, come into the world in human form and create wars and all manner of havoc.

As far as there being a supreme Devil who's "at war" with God, and is challenging God to some type of final apocalyptic showdown...no,
because that would make God less than all-powerful.

What I am incapable of understanding is rigid evangelistic fundamentalism, whether it be of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, or whatever origin. To me, it reflects much more a person's desire to control others than their highly developed faith or spiritual insight...a person of true spiritual insight will be eager to tell and convince people about God, but will also lack any need to control them.

A person who habitually dismisses religious traditions other than his own with statements like, to quote you, "I believe it is the Devil who is in control of most religions", is simply demonstrating:

A. that he hasn't taken the time or trouble to educate himself about world religions; is arrogant; or just doesn't care.

B. that he is quite possibly delusional.

What you've told me here isn't a disruption to my belief system at all...in fact, it just makes me feel more confident about my path to God.

 

Having said that, Christians do not worship the Allah of Islam. Christianity and Islam may use some of the same names and words, but it's important to define terms.

If you say a Muslim worships the God of Abraham, who do you mean by the "God of Abraham"? The Triune God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob revealed in the Bible?

 

All i understand , and it is easily understandabel if you look alil diff from the side to this issue. That this argument is useless and endless. Peopel that understand and try to disprove GOD, use facts and tons of prove from everydaylife, tryign to explain. But of course those who dont want to udnersatnd , they simply WONT. it may be sovled by oral conversation but in written form it is useless. ANd it is too bad, they will be writting and replyign to anything in any, wrong or meanless way, but of course replying and it will go forever. I am sorry , and Good luck yo you in ur lifes, Find the best for yourself.

 

Have you ever read the bible???

The God of Abraham did not have multiple personality disease. No where in the bible is there any mention of any God other than the one God. If you want to worship his prophet, who specifically stated that he was not God, then that is your right. But it really has little to do with the question asked in this thread.