Condi and Katie on 60 Minutes

What was that an ad for her 2008 campaign? Poor little black girl growing up during the civil rights movement...give me a break, she probably had private tutors and never set foot in a public place until she went to her ivy league college. And then she probably belonged to some high class sorority that catered all it's affairs in house.

 

Wow, that is pretty harsh. I would not even begin to degrade what the previous generations of African Americans have gone through to become successful in the United States, regardless of how "privelaged" they may have had it. I give her and Colin Powell much credit for overcoming the obstacles minorities are subjected to in America.

 

Well, if people like Condi Rice are products of 'struggling' to overcome obstacles, such as discrimination, they've sold out. She and people like her now work for people like Bush, helping them to oppress people around the world for their own economic benefit, just like the slave masters of old did. I have no respect for her at all, especially if she gets votes or sympathy simply because she is black or female.

 

"Rice was born in Birmingham, Alabama, and grew up in the black middle-class neighborhood of Titusville. She is the only child of Presbyterian minister Reverend John Wesley Rice, Jr., and his wife, the former Angelena Ray. Reverend Rice was a guidance counselor at Ullman High School and minister of Westminster Presbyterian Church which had been founded by his father. Angelena was a science, music and oratory teacher at Ullman.

Condoleezza (whose name is derived from the Italian musical expression, Con dolcezza, which, in musical notation means "with sweetness"[1]) was largely sheltered from the injustices of Birmingham's discriminatory laws and attitudes..."

On the other hand:

"Rice recalls various times in which she suffered discrimination and persecution on account of her skin color, which include being relegated to a storage room at a department store instead of a regular dressing room, being barred from going to the circus or the local amusement park, being denied hotel rooms, and even being given bad food at restaurants.[1] Also, while Condoleezza was mostly kept by her parents from areas where she might face discrimination, she was very aware of the civil rights struggle and the problems of Jim Crow Birmingham. Says neighbor Juliemma Smith, "[Condi] used to call me and say things like, 'Did you see what Bull Connor did today?' She was just a little girl and she did that all the time. I would have to read the newspaper thoroughly because I wouldn’t know what she was going to talk about."[1] Rice herself said of the segregation era: "Those terrible events burned into my consciousness. I missed many days at my segregated school because of the frequent bomb threats."

For more info check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice#Early_life_and_education

 

More than just a race issue, have you noticed how the liberal media is treating the Bush administration vs. what it is doing to the likes of the Clintons?

Bill Clinton defends himself and he is portrayed as a wacko, Condi gets a free infomercial. It has become clear that not only has the current administration made a mess of things but the media continues to give them a free ride while they stumble around to find someone else to blame for Bush & Co.'s mistakes: the Clintons, Iran, Pakistan, the U.N.

When will the press get back to doing its job and holding these people responsible for their actions? (they are the party of personal responsibility after all) will it take a democrat to make the media go after our elected leaders again?

 

I don't think its right to say that because someone is black they have to hold certain political views or be called a sell out.

 

According to Wikipedia:

Does this sound like the average black in the fifties living under segregation?

 

thank god foley got her out of that mess!

 

Yeah, sacrifice one small senator to take the heat off a more powerful republican. That's how they work. Glad I am not republican. Shows how they support their constituents.

 

So she's not the "right kind" of black person?

 

Not if she only uses the strife of other blacks to benefit herself, when she herself never experienced it. Did she or her parents ever join Dr. Kings walks or protests? Or did they distance themselves from the fray, so that they could prosper, while others fought the good fight.

In the late fifties and sixties there was a term for sell out blacks that wanted it both ways. But during these politically correct times most are afraid to mention it...it was Uncle Tom.

In some ways Colin Powell bought into it for a while and was used to present faulty information at the UN hearings. But even he could only stomach his role in this administration for so long. I'd like to think he did it to protect his son's role on the FCC, but even that doesn't justify it. It was a sell out.

You can be black, but that doesn't make you are above scrutiny. And politicians should understand this and not try to manipulate their message by appointing minorities as their messengers to give their misinformation unquestionable integrity. Some of us are color blind and only see the power and political affiliations.

How many blacks have had oil tankers named after them. And why was the name changed later?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/05/05/MN223743.DTL&type=printable

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/05/MN222557.DTL

 

So you are saying she never experienced racism, or just not enough to satisfy you?

Sounds like you have no idea what she or her parents did, but you are choosing to slander them based merely on assumptions. Pretty disgusting. One of her schoolmates was killed by a racist church bombing, is that good enough for you? The good fight was the fight to build a society where african americans can be secretary of state. Of course as soon as they do, you want to call them uncle tom. Well who are you to judge her?

I have no idea. I'd like to have an oil tanker named after me. The USS Pepik. Sounds great.

 

So can you prove that she attended school with that little girl and knew her? Or did she attend that school for a short period and never even knew the little girl, and was never in her class.

 

It's one thing to lose someone you know, it's another to win points for suffering a loss you never did. Her father was a minister was it his church that was bombed?

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I remember those bombings also. I wasn't black, but I and my parents protested discrimination.​

You also have to look at the fact that Denise McNair was eleven, when the bombings took place how many middle schoolers are still hanging out with primary school students like Condi at age eight, especially when Condi was super busy with her skating and music lessons. The connection is tenuous at best.​

 

You are really treading some strange ground here. Her schoolmate was killed in a racist bombing, yet you think she has no idea what black people were going through. What, being told to go to colored restrooms and sent to the back of the bus is not good enough for you?

No you weren't black and you still aren't. Who are you to call a successful black woman an uncle tom because she doesn't hold the views white liberals think she should? because you think she didn't experience ENOUGH racism to be legitimate in your eyes?

I really don't understand how you can sneer at a black woman for taking music lessons. Black people can do whatever they damn well please, they don't have to do "black" things to prove their authenticity to white liberals.

 

I think that the original post was questioning how much she actually endured vs. what was portrayed. It seems that she was more privileged than most black people in that era.
None the less I give her a lot of credit for rising so high in the government regardless of race (or sex for that matter).
I also think that the benefit of the doubt should go in her favor, after all her people have been put through. Should white people give her sht for not being as abused by us as most of her people were? Uh...NO!

 

That's not all that it was about. If that's all that it was about, it was meaningless.

A lot of the civil rights movement was about creating a just society, where people mattered more than money, and people were treated equally. That's exactly what the Bush Administration that Condi works for isn't about.

Condi has gone around the world smiling and very eloquently promoting Bush's agenda-the war in Iraq where hundreds of thousands of people have had their lives destroyed so that Bush's buddies can get their hands on Iraq's oil-the wanton Israeli destruction of Lebanon and over 1000 innocent lives there-need I go on?

Just because a person grew up in somewhat adverse circumstances doesn't mean that they have compassion for people that do. She very obviously doesn't. She is working for an administration that cares nothing about human beings, and is only concerned about putting a moral veneer on what it does in order to promote it's real agenda, which is American hegemony around the world, the real purpose of which is monetary, and has nothing to do with morals or justice.

If Condi gets votes because she's black and female (which she will), then that is a whole lot of missplaced sympathy. I say votes, because it's obvious to me that she's being groomed for the presidency.

Blacks like Condi and Colin Powell have sold out because they have capitalized on the whole 'poor, oppressed blacks' image, only to unashamedly to the bidding of one of the most oppressive administrations that has ever run the US. They sure-in-the-hell will never get my vote.

 

"If Condi gets votes because she's black and female (which she will), then that is a whole lot of missplaced sympathy. I say votes, because it's obvious to me that she's being groomed for the presidency."

You need not worry about her being elected. In fact if she was ever the republican candidate the dems will win for sure. A woman would have a next to impossible chance of winning. A black woman? Well how does 0% strike you?
For that matter, if Hillary is the dems candidate the repubs will win again. Some of us that live near big cities do not realize what it's like in the sticks (where a large % of the US population resides).
There are many reasons why this is an accepted fact (for now anyway):
Lets imagine that there are 45% Republicans and 55% dems in this country. If there were 100 votes total that would be 45 / 55. Now I estimate that 20% of male's will NEVER vote for a female. So Repubs win 54% to 46%. This is just one example and the #'s are mearly estimations. You can debate me on this all you want. But when it comes time to put your $ where your hopes are, I'm guessing you will decide not to wager w/ me.



Disclaimer: Not only would I be willing to vote for a woman, but I would jump at the opportunity to elect a minority, especially black.

 

That Addams Family pic of DQ Veg reminds me of something. There's a site that allows you to put in a pic and see which celebrity it most closely resembles. I put in a pic of Condi Rice and Lerch from the Addams Family was the first pic it spit back. Wow.

Strangely enough, when I put in John Kerry, Lerch didn't come up.



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It's not just this white person that sees through her facade:

http://www.blackcommentator.com/26/26_commentary.html
http://www.blackcommentator.com/84/84_cover_condi.html