"Vaccine Fearmongering Scrutinized"

Discussion in 'Parenting' started by Tamee, Sep 25, 2006.

  1. Tamee

    Tamee naked

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    I read this article in a newsletter called "Whole Body Health". this is the part that got me:

    "The six vaccines packed into four shots and injected into her 18-month old toddler also contained four live virus vaccines--chickenpox, measles, mumps & rubella (MMR) vaccines--as well as hepatitis B and meningococcal C vaccines. First he was injected with chickenpox vaccine which immediately raised a hive on his skin, then the nurse quickly injected him with three more needles in separate locations. By the time she had injected all the vaccines, he was salivating, pointing to his neck and playing with his tongue--then his eyes started to roll back at which point she injected him with the epinephrine...In one week he had shifted from a gentle easy-going baby to an angry and agressive child."

    and it made me want to cry!
     
  2. Bumble

    Bumble Senior Member

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    omg! shots are really bad. I just wrote a paper on autism and childhood vacinations. Recently, they stopped putting mercury in childhood shots, but huge drug companies, like merk(sp?), sold off all of their supplies to lower income clinics and developing contries. They used mercury in a lot of shots to keep it from going bad. You are put into a hard situation. Do you want your child to develop life threatening sicknesses or flood their bodies with toxins. I have no clue what I would do, but trust me it will take me lots of research on finding the right and best doctors. even with caution you still have the chance of your child getting harmed. I'm actually thinking about posting my research paper because I found sources that support these issues that I believe every parent should be aware of, but of course they don't tell you these things in fear of lawsuits.
     
  3. HippyFreek

    HippyFreek Vintage Member

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    My decision is this:

    I'm waiting until she's a year old, selectively vaxing, and only ONE shot at a time, with at least a week in between shots.

    My thought is I'd rather her get a curable/treatable disease, suffer for a little while, then develop lifelong immunity than to have the vaccine, develop an uncurable syndrome, suffer all her life with it, and still not be immune to whatever she was vaxed against 10 years down the line. KWIM?
     
  4. Poem~Girl

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    its called psychology....testing..theres several different areas whre they test children in things like that i can name a few. i cannot remember who the person is who did it but way back someone made a loud noise in a babies ear which struck (fear) than the man did some other type of experiment on another type of child and it made him happy... sorry i can't give a better discription of what it means its late and my brains slowly shutting off :&


    its called psychoanaysis;

    hope this helps a little bit.
    PG
     
  5. nimh

    nimh ~foodie~

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    "Do you want your child to develop life threatening sicknesses or flood their bodies with toxins. "

    i dont think it's an either/or equation. there are ways of strengthening the immune system so that the body can fight off illnesses on its own.

    ps, my son has high functioning autism. i'm so glad that he only had two rounds of shots as a baby and that we quit before the mmr. i really think that if he'd had any more shots that he would be very profoundly autistic now. it makes me want to puke that the pHarmaceutical companies know about this crap, they cover it up and kids keep getting hurt.
     
  6. purplesage

    purplesage Ah, fuck it...

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    My boys are fully vaccinated, I have no regrets apart from the pain they would have gotten from the needles.

    To each their own I suppose :)
     
  7. mamaboogie

    mamaboogie anarchist

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    we were selectively vax'ing on a delayed schedule. Then my oldest had a very scary reaction to the MMR. Doc blew off the reaction as normal, and didn't even write it in her file! Nope, no more shots for my girls. The scary "autistic" behavior started escalating shortly after that MMR shot, too. I thought I was erring on the side of caution to have some of the shots, but now I'm more afraid of the vaccines than I am of the diseases they are supposed to prevent. Funny how when there was a chickenpox epidemic here recently, it was the vaccinated kids who all come up sick.
     
  8. Bumble

    Bumble Senior Member

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    i hear about this all the time. it's so horrible that our children are suffering while these companies are enjoying their high incomes.
     
  9. Sage-Phoenix

    Sage-Phoenix Imagine

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    I'm planning on doing that with my kids too.

    Wouldn't bother with any not totally life threatening; like the chicken pox vaccine, just let them get it from the other kids like in the olden days. Pretty much everyone I know did it that way and survived. Hell I wound up with mumps when I was three, and suffered no long term damage (don't even remember having it). So yes am a bit cynical about vaccines.

    Four diseases at once (with all the rest of that crap in the mix) seems a hell of a lot for even an adult's immune system to take, let alone a baby's. So it's not that suprising kids end up with problems.
     
  10. Stillravenmad

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    Well, the chicken pox is something that I don't quite understand vaccinating children for. I think it's better for them to just get it and get in over with, because there's still a chance that they'll get it in adulthood if they get the shot.

    I don't remember ever getting more than one shot at a time. Now, granted, I don't know what happened when I was a baby, but four shots certainly seems like too many at one time. And I didn't get my Hepitius B shot until I was 14. However, I don't know that that discredits vaccinations as a whole. I'm certainly glad that I can live in a dorm next year knowing that I have less chance of getting Meningitis.
     
  11. mama in wonderland

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    I guess I'm a bit ignorant on this one, so please excuse me.....What happens when the kids go to school if they are not properly vaccinated. This is an issue I am not familiar with because my boys have been fully vaccinated, so I don't know if they make exceptions for kids whose parents opt not to have the shots given or are they told that they cannot attend public schools?? I guess when my boys were younger I was not aware that there was option.
     
  12. mamaboogie

    mamaboogie anarchist

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    depends on what state you live in. Most states allow medical and religious exemptions to the vax laws. Can't find the link right now, it's something like vaclib.org I believe, has all the state laws regarding vaccinations. All that happens is you have to sign a piece of paper stating it's against your religion. It's unconstitutional for anyone to question your religious beliefs, so you don't have to justify it or defend yourself to them. Getting a doctor to sign a medical exemption is next to impossible, even for kids who have had very severe reactions to the vaccines.
     
  13. Haid

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    My doctor told me the chicken pox vaccine would not prevent the kids from getting pox, it would just reduce the reaction.
     
  14. HippyFreek

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    Well, I don't see the point either way. There's no guarantee it would reduce the reaction. And it's more nasties added to a poor kid's system for no other reason than convenience, really.

    So what if a parent as to cope with a sick kid for over a week. They might have to *gasp* call out of work or something outrageous!
     
  15. Haid

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    I don't disagree, just thought I would throw that out. We vaccinated for life threating diseases only. No problems with the ones they have had so far.
     
  16. nimh

    nimh ~foodie~

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    even the common cold can be 'life threatening' to somebody with a compromised immune system. where do you draw the line?

    it's my personal belief that vaccines totally mess up the immune systems of the pple they're given to. autoimmune disorders are side effects of almost all of the vaxes~just check out the package inserts. the whole vaccination paradigm is totally skewed.
     
  17. Haid

    Haid Member

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    Well that would be up to each parent to decide. We decide on a shot by shot basis.
     
  18. Tamee

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    my doctor did the paperwork for me without question and very politely. of course, we had discussed my opinion before so he knew how I felt. it was nice, though. I thought it was going to be much harder.
     
  19. mama in wonderland

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    I was listening to one of the morning shows while I was getting ready for work today and they are working on an immunization shot for EAR INFECTIONS!!!! It's insane!!
     
  20. lola78

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    There are some great books on this subject. One by Aviva Romm. If you are breastfeeding EXCLUSIVELY, then your baby will be getting enough antibodies from the breast milk for you to delay vaccinations for up to a year. You can also refuse some vaccines and selectively vaccinate. There are quite a few vaccines out there that are really not needed chickenpox, flu. Some states have different reuirements but you can get a waiver from the state if you decide no to vaccinate . That said, you should make yourself an expert on the issue, because you will have a struggle on your hands at times. But make sure you request thimerosal free vaccines ( mercury in thimerosal may be linked to Autism)and if you decide to vaccinate, space them out so the babies not bombarded with so many vaccines at one time. Thousands of adverse reactions occur every year and a few fatalities. You should not feel bad about delaying or flatly refusing but make sure you are aware of all the risks vs benefits.
     

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