Fedup and Fedup ONLY please answer...

Now Fed up you know that Jesus stated to His followers they had to learn the Parable of the fig tree, which is the rebirth of Israel as a nation. And that is found in Matthew 24:32-33. And you also know that He told His followers that Jerusalem was going to be destroyed first in Matthew 24-2. So Jesus could not return until Jerusalem was first destroyed, and His return could not be until Jerusalem was rebuilt later on, which just so happen to be 2,000 years later. So you see, Jesus arrival is going to be right on time. And it will be Jesus who will open the East Gate, you know, the East Gate the Bible said that would remain sealed until God showed up to open it. Now, if you really want to prove us Christians wrong, why don't you just go over to Jerusalem and open up that Gate yourself. Now if you can do that, all of us Christians can leave our churches and worship you. Then we can call it the First Church of FedUpAmerican.

 

What generation does Christ speak about in that passage (I am sure you are referring to mt. 24)




Signs of the End of the Age

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come (The Gospel must be preached to the world before Christ returns).

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation (THE GENERATION THAT SEES ALL WHAT IS IN BOLD) will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

Sorry it took me so long. I, unfortunately, don't have time to write up my own take on it, but here is the introduction to the basic ideas.

What is preterism? If I had to sum up in everyday language, I would define preterism as a belief that some substantial portion of Biblical prophecy now taken to refer to the "End Times" actually was fulfilled by 70 AD, coincident with the destruction of Jerusalem. The core proof point for us is that we take Jesus' warning of things taking place in "this generation" to clearly mean that they must take place within the next 40 years. Such time texts are a cornerstone for the preterist case.
What does this imply in terms of the future for us? It means, the popular understanding of a Rapture, a 7 year Tribulation, and an Antichrist figure are not in our future of necessity. If they are, it will be as a "double fulfillment" but is not necessary to fulfill Biblical prophecy. The chief preterist view holds that all that surely remains in our future is final resurrection and judgment.
Chief preterist view? Are there others? Yes, there is a view sometimes called full preterism (or by proponents, "consistent preterism") which holds that ALL Biblical prophecy is now fulfilled, including those that preterists of my school say refer to the final resurrection. This view is considered heretical by preterists of my school, who are often called "partial" preterists but are here called preterists.
So what about verses that refer to the Rapture? Preterists see those as references to the final resurrection, which is in our future still.
And verses that refer to the Tribulation? Preterists understand the Tribulation to have occured during (but not exhausting) the 7 year period to have been fulfilled in the Jewish War which lasted from 66-73 AD. The Trib does not take up the full 7 years but is centered on the years 67-70.
What about the Anti-christ, 666? We usually see Nero as having filled that slot, though I know others have suggested Titus, Vespasian, and others.
So what has been fulfilled and what hasn't? Preterists say that the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in the Jewish War or in the time leading up to it, as was Daniel 9, and all of Revelation up until part of the last two chapters. According to preterists, we are NOW in the "millenium" of Rev. 20. What is past that, and the final resurrection (referred to in John 5, in 1 Corinthians and the Thessalonian correspondence, and elsewhere) is yet to come.
Is this some sort of weirdo view? If you consider R. C. Sproul a weirdo, I suppose it is. He is the most prominent proponent of the preterist view today. Gary DeMar is less prominent but has written much more on the subject.
What do people like Tim LaHaye think of preterism? From what I have read, they are fairly clueless about it. Most critics of preterism end up mixing up the orthodox version with the heretical version to some extent. Most though are just too caught up in a too-Western, too-literal interpretation of the Bible. I have found preterism to be far more consistent with a reading of the text that would have been understood by the people who wrote the Bible.


The key to understanding Preterism is understanding that the the New Testament and Old Testament provide patterns of understanding for us. The New Testament gives us a lens by which we can understand the Law of the Old Testament. The Old Testament gives us a precedent for understanding the prophesies of the New Testament. If you have questions (and I am sure that you do), please ask or PM me if you don't want the Futurist interjections of Campbell and JDFU. Though they are my brothers in Christ, we simply cannot agree on this viewpoint. They will most likely continue to produce the same argument that you have always heard (and understandably doubt).

Do as you will, though I hope that you would have a more open mind to the Preterist approach as it is not something that you seem to have encountered before.

 

Not a problem. There is a ton of stuff out there on the subject, but it's a mixed bag due to poor categorical distinctions between the differing areas of thought in preterism. Still though, I think that it is the most consistent (and scary) eschatalogical view.

The futurist has all sorts of signs and a tribulation to look forward to. A preterist sees us as living like those in the time of Noah (just living a normal life) and then one day you wake up and God is here and judging people. No warning, no knowing, no signs... and no second chances to repent during the "tribulation"... There is an uncertainty there that is kind of scary.

It also moves the preterist to viewing the "end times" from "indication to vindication" in regards to faith. A futurist looks forward in faith that the events will occur. A preterist can look back and see how the prophecies unfolded in history and can have our faith vidicated through that.

 

First there was Libertine
then there was Fuzzy
now there is Fedup

it goes in stages.

 

O you are Fuzzy! I never realized that till now.

No real point. Just a thoguht.

 

HAHA , american you still fighting for turth here ?)) omg i've enjoyed all these days without hipforums so good )) and even gained more brainmass, instead of using it on USELESS brains.. that quote 100 prophecies.... so whats gonan happen in 1,5 years ??? you just live in some kind of small , little, packed world, that has borders.... if you take those borders away, you will dissocer real beauty of this yet unknown life....

 

I choose the noncomformity and be a True christian... you can continue to conform with the world...