How did we get here?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Fluffernutter, Sep 24, 2006.

  1. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Member

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  2. jailmate

    jailmate Plantenist

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    how duh hellll we goin to get duh vuk out.
     
  3. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    None of the above... U dont know how to ask the question...

    Occam
     
  4. slinklikegroove

    slinklikegroove Stupid Vegan

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    way to be a big help in this thread :H
     
  5. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Humans evolved, we can't know if God guided the process. He may have started it. But that is a maybe.
     
  6. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    Sorry..

    One important one ..the most likely[fits best with evidence] was left out

    How did we get here?
    We evolved
    That process is a result of natural objective laws manipulated to
    promote structural complexity.
    That manipulation may we have been by another evolved species..
    or, 'an entity/god'.

    Occam
     
  7. mushroomherb

    mushroomherb Member

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    your choice list sucks, i cant say anything about any of them!
     
  8. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    'your choice list sucks, i cant say anything about any of them!'
    mushroomherb

    I agree, I picked three, which was closest.... but not what I think took place.
    Works for me, whatever this God thing might be. I bet its well beyond my comprehension anyway.
    I say, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God."
    Or, in other words, at first the whole universe was a singularity, a one dimensional object that contained all creation.
    Then it all went to heck.
    The law of entropy, and Newton's three laws, etc. etc. took it from there.
     
  9. Archemetis

    Archemetis Senior Member

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    beams of light evolved.....

    you ask, how did we get here?...define we, and define here. *points to sig*
     
  10. Archemetis

    Archemetis Senior Member

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    im not a christian, but genesis is a beautiful alegory.
    Genesis 1

    1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
    5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


    light (god) peirced the formless void, (light being linear...linear being a male symbol....thats why god is "the father")
    this light evolved and gave way to spiral force and geometry....ect.
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    the answer would be different depending on which of more then one possible interpretation of the question. one crux of that being the meaning of "we" in it.

    i'm amazed at how many jumped on the assumption that "we" in this instence was refering collectively to the human species. especialy so when so often in these fora, such as when disscussing possible futures, the assumption is more often made that the questions are being directed individualy and personaly rather then globaly and species wide.

    the details of how we got from interstellar carbon to organic life forms remain a bit ambiguous and uncertain. darwinian factors can, and likely do, account at least partialy for our sellection from among life forms to become the creativity driven species we are now.

    how did we each, as individual awairnessess, come to occupy life forms of the species homosap of planet earth is a seperate question, just as probable to have been intended, by "how did we get here"?"

    or even how did we each individualy come to participate in these forums?

    how did sentience, as opposed to how did our specific species of life form, come to exist, is yet another possible interpretation.

    such questions one answers at a strong risk of quite possibly legitimate aqusations of "blowing smoke".

    the light thing might well in some metaphisical sense work for sentience, as opposed to physical form.

    the maping of dark matter is of course a tangable approach questions and may yet provide useful suggestions.

    does anything have to be 'in control'? no. does there absolutely have to not be something big, friendly and nontangable? again no.

    the short sweet honest answer is that neither science nor belif 'knows'.

    science differing from belief in having the honesty to admit this.

    it knows how our life form is likely to have gotten from the amoiba to it's current form,
    but not yet with any certainy how cosmic carbon came to be the amoiba.
    a fair to medlin idea how suns and planets form, a bit about the age of the oldest it can observe, but not absolutely how, or nor at all why, this started happening.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  12. Love_N_it

    Love_N_it Banned

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    God is a spirit that we all share but for some reason most people are looking for a God in the physical to return to this Earth. Maybe it's because they don't want to accept the responsibility that we also share.

    I believe the only way a "man" could be a perfect father is if he does not have children of his own.
     
  13. themnax

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    there is also the open question of which "here" is being refered to.

    "our" current state of the dominant culture, for one example.
    THAT was the first thing i thought of when i saw the title of this thread.

    not; "how did sentient life forms come to be" but how did we, i.e. OUR awairnessess, come to be occupying those of the dominent sentient life form of THIS planet.

    all of these, are VERY seperate questions. each somewhat interesting in their own right. NONE of them, over ridingly vital.

    none of them as pertinent nor important as how to avoid causing suffering and harm and how to motivate ourselves and each other to actualy WANT to avoid causing suffering and harm and actualy search for and impliment ways that really work, of doing so.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  14. crud3w4re

    crud3w4re I like Grunge.

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    Humans evolved, God did not guide the process

    :)
     
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