Christianity and Politics in America

Is it true that basically in america the more well-known christians are largely political christians, ie mixing their politics with their faith and being for war maybe and stuff?....


i'm so confused. i'm sure that there's different perceptions going on here, from cross-cultural points of view, to different wavelengths.

 

not at all

if anything it's the opposite!
christians here in england seem to largely be against war. I think maybe the sense of patriotism and fighting for ones country is WAY WAY HUGE in america, but in england it's not so much at all.

 

Well the big big pro-war Christians in Amerian are essentially Jim Baker clones.

 

see i don't even know who jim baker is!

billy graham did some awesome stuff for separating politics and christianity, just been reading his autobiography.

 

Billy Graham is okay. Jim Bakker was a loud-mouthed far right televangelist, like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. He was discredited when it was found out the he was using peoples monetary contributions to buy himself cars and mansions and such like. Billy Graham isn't like that, though he is a bit far right for my tasts. But Robertson and Falwell are exactly like that, they just haven't been outed yet.

 

Thanx to ... hmm human mind. Religion doesnt rule our contries anymore.....

 

christians in america are fucked up!! they actlike america is a christian nation & therefore its theyre dutyto ruin everything, from whats allowed on tv to how we're able tolive its so fuckin scary how single minded they can be, for instance, there was a psycho on these forums named antiporn his christian values made him psychotic
7 hed outlined his plan to run for presifdent in this thread http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108226
his plan is extremely scary &hes serius about it
in another thread several christians were asked if they would vote for him or a non christian who would work for peace equality & the survival of the environment..& all said theyd vote for him over a non christian cause at least he was god fearring (if his ideas repressejnt gods id be scared too)
christians in this country will vote for whoever mentions god the most often..regardless of how bad theyd fuck up the world
just look at the idiot they voted into office

 

h yeah, I remember that guy. But claiming that even very many Christians agree with him is like claiming atheists all agree with Joseph Stalin.

 

i'm just saying what i was told in another thread, whenoffered the choice between him & another candidate with normal sane ideas (me) i was told over & over they'd vote for him over me simply because he calledhimself christian & i didnt...
thats the mentality of christians in america..

 

As an American I can tell you there are many Christians in America, but America as a nation, forgot about God long ago. America has murdered 50 million children by abortion. This is not what you would see if America was truly a Christian nation. I believe the day is coming when God will judge our land, and I believe this will occure before the Anti Christ comes to power. I believe that Northern nations will rise up in power in the years ahead, and will attack our country. I believe Americas end will come in one hours time, as so stated in the Book of Revelation chapter 18. I also believe this chapter ties in with Jermiah chapters 50 and 51. If you put these chapters all together, you will see future America.

 

What is a "Northern nation"? Canada? Sweden? Russia?

All of these countries are far from attacking America. Why aren't the Northern nations rising up to attack China which will soon match or replace the USA as the superpower...Oh, and I was wondering if you could give me the adress of that passage that describes the northern nation. I'd like to see it for myself too.

 

Its probably helpful if people were to understand some disctinction among various Christian groups out there.
You have your sort of 'normal' Christian groups who simply want to vote in representatives that reflect their views.
Of course this IS what democracy is all about and we all agree with this so be it.
Then
There is a new and exciting 'sect' of Christianity that goes by all kinds of names but:
Dominionists.
Basically this is a sort of break-away group from the Pentecostal movements and unlike traditional Christians, they believe they should be taking over the world 'for Jesus' and that means bringing governments, courts, school systems, media and socio-economic system under Christian control.
(their brand of Christianity)
They presume this then prepares the world (which they now run) for Jesus return and rule and reign.
Google or wikipedia around for:
New Apostolic Reformation
Latter Rain
Kansas City Prophets
Kingdom Now
Dominionism (especially)
C.Peter Wagner
Dutch Sheets

The big problem in my eyes is that they are blurring the line here and too many people will mistakenly think that 'Christians' are all doing this when they go to vote or rally.
Christians definately SHOULD go and vote and participate in the democratic systems.
Yes.
But we dont want to 'make it Christian' in the sense Muslims (or dominionists) want a 'state' to be Christian or that governments are to be part of the Church etc.

Heck, Americans should know this lesson better than anyone!

 

Ez. 38 and 39 gives a good description

 

I am not really sure still how you get the US out of that. Maybe I missed one verse, but to me it seems more like a prophecy of the first coming. The Roman occupation (Italy/Rome is north of Palestine...and nthey probably would have made their way down through Asia Minor...again, north of Palestine) and the return of Jacob to the holy land could be metaphoricl for the Christ's return from Egypt. also the attacking of cities could be the rebellion after Old Herod died and there was a scramble for power among his sons.

I wouldn't doubt if I am missing something vital here, but yeah, it is late for me.

 

I just dont see it.
Some of these nations are simply identified as they are and others require a bit of historical investigation.
I can understand how we have a bit of a question mark at 'Gog' although we get some indicators from research.
But,
dont see where any of this describes the USA at all even if you do want to make some pretty wild assumptions.

Now, I think its fair to say that any sorts of international events like that would also involve Russia, China or the USA... and if only in terms of backing, selling, support etc.
Thats fair but I dont see them being named among those nations in Ezekiel.

Tidbit: Note also the nations who are (surprisingly!) absent:
Egypt and Syria.
Why?
The only plausible answer is that they both have somehow been relegated to an inferior position militarily. This fits nicely into Daniel chapter 11 with both the King of the North (Syria) and the King of the South (Egypt) being destroyed by Antichrist.

 

The northern nations are already beginning to form. They are really nothing now but they will become much more powerful in the future. Russia is one of the Northern nations spoken of in Ezekiel 38. Iran is another. North Korea is a guess on my part, but I believe it will be another one. I believe most of the Islamic nations will join this coalition. If you have noticed America and her forgin policy will isolate us from not only most of the Islamic world, but are allies as well. When this coalition becomes stronger and they are backed up with nukes, America is going to find itself in a very uneasy position. They will not attack China because China will be in agreement with the rest of them. Only American forgin policy will be at odds with the world view. And it will be America's policy concerning the fate of Israel and Jerusalem that will put us in harms way. You will find the whole story pretty much by reading Ezekiel chapters 36, 37, 38, and 39. Also Jermiah chapters 50 and 51, and Revelation chapter 18.

 

Where does the Old Testament say the name Jesus Christ? It dosent. The Bible does not give names. It gives descriptions. Also you will not be able to understand Revelation 18 by itself. God worked it out so the other half of the prophecy is back in the Old Testament. You have to read Jermiah 50, and 51 and put those prophecies together with Revelation 18, in order to understand the prophecy. If you just read Revelation 18 you only have half of the story. If you only read Jermiah 50, and 51, you only have the other half of the story. Thats why you have to read them together. America is the land that is built on many waters, we are the Nation that has mounted up into heaven, we are the merchant nation of the world. We are the land of mingled races and peoples. We are the most proud. We have a mountain of war. We are the nation that speaks with a great voice in the world. And our cities will all burn according to the Scriptures and our nation will be destroyed by northern nations in one hours time.

 

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It must of taken a lot of thought to come up with that responce FedUp. No doubt, days researching my position. It's sad to see a man try to win an arguement by personal attack. I guess you prescribe to the old belief. If you don't like the message, kill the messenger. I guess when you have no knowledge of the subject matter, that's the only road you can take.

 

When you have the Bible you don't have to guess. Thats why ministers in the 1600s and 1800s could tell their people that Christ coming, would not take place until the Jews first return to Israel, and retook Jerusalem. They did not have to guess either, they just believed their Bible.