diference between Islam and christianity?

what so you are saying first of all the bible is the word of god, but that god doesnt know what he's on about. If he says "you shall have no other gods before me" surely god would have said "idols" if he meant idols, or is that not the word of god?
Surely god didnt mince words ?

Then why differentiate? If "jesus" (the word jesus) is merely a label meaning "god on earth" whats the point - or is it incase people think god died on the cross, which according to you - he did. Isnt it the case that the bible is just open to literary criticism and therefore is unacceptable as a holy book, at least muslims kept their book in the language it was written and made it so no man could chnge the wording

 

Uh, Christ had everything to do with it. Several times in the Gospel he criticizes the Pharisees and Sadducees <sp?> for the practice of Jewish law yet not having a real closeness to God. This was the beginning of a new beginning in Abrahamic religion.

Paul may have extended this later but it was Jesus who got the ball rolling.

 

God speaks to individuals and His message seemingly contradicts itself?
Correction, the message does counterdict itself. To deny this would require placeing ones head in the sand. The Christian faith clearly states that it is throught faith in Christ alone that men will enter heaven. The Bible clearly states that there is no other name under heaven given to men to be saved but the name Jesus Christ.
Now tell that to a Moslem, and they may want to stone you to death. The Christian faith does not agree with the rest of the worlds religions and that is a fact.

You can only believe what you believe if you gloss over the truth, and care little about the facts of the matter.

The Devil has free will just as humans do. Yet he choose to do evil just as many humans do everday. His free will does not diminish God being all powerful.

 

FatFreddy,

This may appear to be a contradiction, but I don't think it is. If we read the chapter and this verse in context I think it can be seen that this is referring to the confidence that the Christian has when he or she stands before God on judgement day.

Fearing God out of reverence(godly fear) is different from living in dread and fear of God knowing that you await judgement and you will be punished because you are guilty before God. Christ's substitutionary death and the forgiveness He has offered frees the Christian from the fear of this punishment. God made this forgiveness available to all of us because He loves all of us.

"In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him." (1 John 4:17)

 

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You'll have to explain the logical contradiction.

1 John 18, King James Version: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear; because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love

This, I can attempt to address on a spiritual basis.

Fear, in the sense of terror, for both man and animals, can be explained as a natural response to danger of all kinds.

Fear, in a spiritual sense, is a response that is in direct proportion to a person's sense of identity...the more one's thoughts are preoccupied with the physical body and the accompanying subtle ego, the greater the demands and needs of these will be...and the threat of loss of what satisfies these needs and demands constitutes existential fear.

In a state of complete spiritual awareness, or perfect love, as it is expressed in this verse, the knowledge of his own pure eternal nature comes to the individual simultaneously with knowledge of God's pure eternal nature...and this transcendental consciousness has nothing to do with the body or the subtle ego...it is a state beyond death and material loss or gain, so there is no basis for fear and its accompanying torment of mind.

A person who fears hasn't yet reached this perfect relationship with God.

It's why Jesus said to lay up treasures in heaven, not on earth.

 

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the passages you quoted that use the word fear mean it more in the sense of respect, and that well could have been more the intent in the language around the time of the KJV.

The word fear has been misused horribly in relation to God...the logical contradiction I see in Christianity is the near-universal doctrine of "you've got one chance to love me or you're going to hell"...and I think that's an invention of man, not what Jesus intended.

Yeah, you're right, you can't command someone to love you or face the consequences, and that's where the Christians have got it wrong. Most of them don't present God as a very likeable, much less loveable, entity. Jesus was supposed to have taken care of all that, but the problem is that they don't present him very well either.

 

Thanx, I appreciate the further insights.

 

We're not at an impasse, because your logic works.

I'm reading between the lines too much, and bringing in mystical concepts, which can be found in writings of both Christian and Hindu thinkers.

 

The qu'ran does have some biblical events in it, however they differ from the bibles version of the stories in the example of the characters. ie judas on the cross not jesus, and not resurrection



The qu'ran has confusing grammar hehe. amusing to read. it's like how i used to write poetry..

i'm led to believe that christianity is based on love, and islam by fear.
i'm also led to believe that muslims hope of getting to heaven is by good deeds, and christians hope of getting to heaven is jesus.

(had to edit my previous post in here coz it definitely wasn't loving enough or appropriate. i hope this is more concise.)

 

I already explained how two people could have different truths, you're there, I'm here, etc. The thing that I found we agree on (to my utter surprise), is your point about the Devil (if there is such a critter), is fooling the vast majority of religious followers. It says he would pretend to be a being of light and fool many right in the Christian Bible.