US to hit 3 mil this month (World at 7 B, too)

I agree there probably does need to be population stabilization. Could I ask is the population growing as a result of immigration or the birth-rate exceeding the deathrate?
There seems to be a worldwide problem with illegal immigrants in all English speaking countries around the world. The reason they choose English speaking countries is that they can speak the language. I am not altogether unsympathetic to them wanting a new life, but it makes me ask why do they want to leave? Essentially human repression in their own country?
Downunder the house building industry lobbies for more immigrants in order to provide more customers for their business. Sometimes I think bureaucratic governments like they have in France or Japan are more immune to lobbyists and therefore better than the most democratic countries.

 

very interesting post, however i cannot see how the current trends can persist untill 2050
i belive there will be some event or series of events that will result in a serius reduction in population growth
if not a massive reduction in the populationin general, more then likely within the next 12-14 years

however wether or not that takes place is irrelevent, we need to make fundamental changes in how we live regardless
1 of the most important changes we could make is the complete ending of the meat undustry, however even a 20% reduction would go a long way
additionaly the now freed up ranch land should be used for farming, but using methods that presserve & enhance the biodiversity
i'd probly have alot more to say onthis subject but i'm way too tired at the momment soi'll come backtothis tomorow

 

It's the birth-rate exceeding the deathrate. Here's the population clock:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

Best I can figure, we'll hit 300,000,000 about 4:30am CDT, Oct 17th.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

First the facts: the US census bureau calculates that one American is born every seven seconds, one dies every 13 seconds, and an immigrant arrives (net) every 31 seconds. Add those together and you get a net population gain of one person every 11 seconds.

 

Oh, yeah, for sure it's a calculated estimate. Like Gardner said and copied straight from the U.S. POPClock Projection:

One birth every............................................ 7 seconds
One death every.........................................13 seconds
One international migrant (net) every.....31 seconds
Net gain of one person every....................11 seconds

But even if it's off by a few days or even a couple weeks, 300,000,000 is a lot of people. Shoot, 300,000,000 is a lot of anything.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

First of all-
This is a global issue and not just a US national issue. The world population has been steadily climbing for a few decades. THE ENTIRE WORLD has an overpopulation problem.

Second of all-
I am increddibly insulted how you turn to immigration as an excuse/way to explain the problem. While illegal immigrants are coming here according to the media in mass numbers right now, they have always been coming here. This is fucking America, a land built on immigrants. Legal or not. White America has children in droves because they like the idea of a "large & rural family". In my opinion it is the more fortunate people of earth who should be cutting back on their population before the poorer people do. The rich do not need as many children, the middle class do not need as many children. It is the poorer, more fragile, sicker, less fortunate people who need more children- it is biological. This makes for a greater chance of survival for offspring....it's why it happens. America, if they truly want to be revolutionary- should take that first step at limiting it's children to show the world.

SoraingEagle-
People were saying the same things about the earth not handaling our global population at 4 billion. They said that "some event or series of events that will result in a serius reduction in population growth"- they thought it was natural for the world to kill what it cannot sustain. They were wrong. You may not be, just saying.

And you all have forgotten one important part of population growth. More then anything food supply is the key to population growth. Any species of animal, including humans will increase population with an abundance of food- and a famine reduces the population of said animal.
Human have been increasing the output and quanitiy of our food for hundreds of years. With each new increase, this allows an increase in population. If you want more proof of this I have a lot of fancy diagrams and graphical data to explain this. All basic human geography.

 

First of all, no one said it was only a U.S. problem. The world population has been steadily climbing not for a few decades, but but for much, much longer.

Second of all, who turned "to immigration as an excuse/way to explain the problem"? If you looked at the information, you'd see the birth rate is a little more that 5 times the immigration rate.

And as to "White America has children in droves". I keep trying to get folks to use the term "European American", just as the term "African American", "Asian American", "Hispanic American", "Native American", etc., are used. But anyhow, can you please show us all where that information came from?

The U.S. birth rate dropped to a low of 1.7 children in 1976, and then started inching back up to its current mark of 2.1. But the picture gets more complicated when the numbers are broken down by race and region. In 2002, the birth rate for European Americans women was 1.83 babies. Birth rates among African Americans (2.2) and Hispanic Americans (3.0) are above the replacement rate. Since 2000, Hispanic Americans have accounted for half the growth in the U.S. population. The U.S. Census Bureau projects that European Americans will become the minority in the U.S. at some point between 2040 and 2050.

And "the more fortunate people of earth who should be cutting back on their population", that in fact is exactly what has been happening for a long time. Can you please provide the numbers that may show otherwise?

Yes, I am always willing to be proven wrong, and always wanting to learn.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

I need to get an old text book or so. But I'll have them this coming weekend, and I'll post again.

 

Ok, it's cool... the main thing is I think we all agree, it's a problem that can and must me addressed.

I agree very much with what you were saying about food production. Clean water is another big problem. You might want to check out the "Living on Earth" sub-forum: http://www.hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=438

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

I am doing my part in controlling the population by refusing to bring a child into this F'd up world.

 

Yeah, it's definetely something out of hand, I think. What is scary is that it took 900 years to go from 310 Million (in 1000AD) to 1.6 billion (in 1900) but will only take 150 year to get 9 Billion (in 2050).

That is INSANE! The population has exploded in the last 100 years. There have only been just over 105 Billion people ever alive on the planet, and right now about 1 in 15 of all people ever are alive...

 

If global warming is as real as some doomsayers tell us, then an excess of US population can start spilling over into Canada where far more land with temperate weather will become available.

Having said that I have a niggly feeling that claims about global warming are largely overstated.

 

-You're right!.I'm coming out of the fridge during the night,now.

 

I meant "you" in a genreal term. All I was trying to say is that there was an awful lot of talk about immigration, and immigration really had very little to do with the larger problem. It seemed like people were confused, or maybe more misguided in their talk of the population problem.

And I am still trying to find that book Poor_Old_Dad....I'll PM you the stuff about my earlier posts soon, hopefully.

 

Loss of wilderness and farmland is my main environmental issue. These numbers will help in the campaign to save what we have left. Thanks for the info.

I agree that somthing needs to be done about population growth. I think the best way to control the problem is for people to exercise consious self control in regard to reproduction. For example, only having two children instead of four. If a everyone did that then the population would stabilize and land loss would be less of a threat to the society and the planet.


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We need to do a lot more then just cut it down to 2 children.

 

I was just using the two children thing as an example. I think that would be a good starting point, but you are right, we would need to do a lot more than that to solve the problem.