When does an embryo become a person?

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  1. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Member

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    Here's a question. At what point do you believe an embryo or fetus becomes a person? At conception? Or at consciousness? Or at birth?
     
  2. erzebet1961

    erzebet1961 Senior Member

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    The moment the cells begin to split...there is life...where theres life...there is a soul
     
  3. spook13

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    Per Vedic scripture, the soul is carried by the sperm cell, and life...growth of a new body with a soul... begins the instant that it successfully joins the ovum.


    This occurs in all species, not just human beings.
     
  4. grimjivey

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    This is a can of worms that I ain't gonna get into. Nothin but arguements from this thread.
     
  5. revolution_time

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    if sperm has a soul, that would mean every guy is a mass murderer. i beleive that a "human being" cannot be categorized at some exact point in the process of conception to birth. it is going to be different for everyone, and rightly so. for me, it would be when the baby can start realizing its sorroundings. when it can hear its mother's and father's voice, and start "learning". and yes, this does occur in the womb.
     
  6. spook13

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    To carry my line of thought on, according to the same philosophy the soul doesn't enter the sperm until the right time for that particular person to be conceived...which, in most cases, would seem to be about 2 or 3 minutes before the sperm and egg join. :)
     
  7. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Isn't it interesting that although other posters have offered differing views, no one has argued, or even mentioned arguing, except for this post. In agriculture, this isn't a question. Like others have said, when the sperm enters the ovum, there is a unique individual. One cell... that will possibly grow to be a person. So, to me, the point of conception is when.
    Of course, if person means the point when that cell has developed enough to be considered a human being, well, in my case, I'd say that was about 39 years.
     
  8. jailmate

    jailmate Plantenist

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    duh wen it stikz it up yoh azz.
     
  9. dd3stp233

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    A person isn't really an individual until something like a couple years of age, before that they have little/no self actuallized independant thought. (some people maybe later or never)

    I don't think human embryo's look fully human until about 16 weeks.
     
  10. mortes

    mortes Senior Member

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    A baby isn't an entity with any value until it can remember anything that has happened.
     
  11. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    so our soals are the size of a sperm cell?
     
  12. HonorSeed

    HonorSeed Senior Member

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    online research stated something like at 4 months - 6 months dream brainwave activity is registered in a fetus....
     
  13. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    the embryo becomes a person at age 18
     
  14. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    thats when the person becomes an adult....
     
  15. themnax

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    an embrio does not 'become' a person. an awairness comes to occupy it's mind-brain system. a nontangable awairness from a nontangable place. that may have had previous existences in previous and other tangable places as well.

    i know of the certainty of my own memory of having been fully awaike and awair 'pre-partum'. and i can tell you it seemed like an eternal hell being all cramped up in there.

    i do believe it takes a certain level of development of cerbral capacity before it can support an awairness. so i doubt very much that an awairness can come to occupy an organic life form more then a weeks or two before birth. otherwise we would all be born nuttier then a damd fruit cake.

    =^^=
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  16. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    age 21, until then the goverment can draft you into the army
     
  17. HungryJoe

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    Hooray! I've been a person for two years! lol
     
  18. Any Color You Like

    Any Color You Like Senior Member

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    The birth (9 month)
     
  19. baloon

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    well... I think there is a swell argument for this I heard at the lecture somewhere..
    its like making a pile out of grains of rice.
    you put one grain down. is it a pile yet?
    second grain down. is it a pile yet?
    third grain down. is it a pile yet?
    fourth grain down. is it a pile yet?
    ....
    one milionth... ?
    WHERE EXACTLY IS THAT POINT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ???????

    btw. I do not think that some cat scan can tell you anything about an awareness, moreover I can bet you my ass my rosebush is aware.
     
  20. Mlynn

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    Sometime between the third trimester(age of viability...the age of which a fetus can survive outside of his mothers body) and birth.
     
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