Global Warming? Or something much more significant?

Santaland is slush!
North Pole web cam.

The northwest passage is open!

The scientists and such that are actually talking about these things are attributing it all to global warming. click here

Even if I didn't know half the things I do, I don't think I'd believe that.

I live in New Mexico, about 3 hours away from the Mexican border, and it's usually 100 degrees in late May! And it lasts forever. We have about 1 day of winter, and 2 days of fall right before. It's been totally comfortable this summer, and at times it's chilly at night! It's never cool at night in the summer, except in the mountains around here.

It's also always very arid, probably less than an inch of average rainfall. We've already exceeded that about 5 or 6 times, I think. I know for sure at least 4 times, officially.

So what's up? If there's suddenly global warming intense enough to melt thousands of years' worth of ice accumulation, why am I not roasting like a chile pepper?

 

People in Canada should be glad of global warming for obvious reasons.
But seriously speaking, biological pollution is a far bigger problem.

 

By that, do you mean the human race?

BTW, I read this morning that it's been raining in the Sahara!

 

woah! really? please post a link to this!

 

sahara rainfall and cold weather

Here's something else, from Mars Global Surveyor which says that the southern polar ice cap on Mars is also decreasing! santa lives on southern Mars

Now, let's assume these two polar caps' decreasing size are happening for the same reason, whatever that might be--safe assumption, for an assumption. Do we also assume that it is still a case of 'global warming'? Which globe?

This is quite an unexpected curve ball for some, it would seem.

 

What obvious reasons? Oh yeah, Canada's supposed to be covered with snow year round--I forgot. No, Much of Canada gets quite hot during the summer, although this summer we're having unseasonable cool (thank god) weather. Aside from this, there's something called an ecosystem: Canada has many of them, and they're attuned to certain climates; climate change means that these ecosystems are ruined, and that's pretty serious to me.

 

Yeah, what obvious reasons? People can be so ignorant...

I agree Paul, it would be nice if more people would develop an appreciation of different climates and the ecosystems shaped by them.

Certain animals are adapted to cold climates! I wonder what people expect them to do?

 

No, I mean things like Cane Toads in Queensland, rabbits all over Australia, Nez Zealnad Flatworms in Scotland,Australian paperbark trees in Florida.The list goes onThere have been whole books written on the subject.The thing is there is no money to be made for big business, therefore there is little coverage in the media.
Worst of all all these introduced in troduced speices lead to a complete fuck up of the eco -system.So many people go ad nausium about global warming while being blissfully ignorant about biological pollution.Sad but true.
I once asked the NSW department of Agriculture if the was an illustrated book of weeds for Australia.No , the reason is that there are about -wait for it-
30,000 speices of weeds introduced into Australia.

 

Well, I'd say that both climate change and the introduction of foreign species are serious problems, and I don't see any point in hankering about which of the two problems is "bigger".

On the topic of invasive species, there are a number of birds locally that for years I had considered native, then I became more interested in birding; much to my surprise, it turns out the cardinal and mourning dove are both non-native species to my region, but due to urbanization, their territories expanded northward--the cardinal becoming established in the early 1900s and the mourning dove in the 1950s.

 

I don't see either situation as worse than the other, because they are both just factors in one big picture, the one we look at every day, expecting it to be there in more or less the same configuration as it was the night before when we departed to our unconscious worlds.

There's a lot of significant changes occurring, all things that have been building up slowly but surely, for some time. Maybe 50 to 100 years. But just the past few months, these changes seem to be increasing at an exponential rate. It wouldn't surprise me, if there were some way to measure these increases accurately, to find out the rate of increase followed the fibonacci numbers. Everything else does, why not global renovation?

The world has 4 seasons in relation to it's position in the solar system, and the solar system has 4 seasons in relation to the galaxy, as well. Just as changes occur at the solstices and equinoxes on Earth, the same happens on the galactic level.

I've been studying this extensively, from a broad range of sources, including the bible, history and mythology of various cultures, astronomy, astrology, geology, and meterology, and others. Although I have no way to really confirm it, I do feel this is an accurate hypothesis, and so far I can't find any contradictions. I think that an 'age', that is, 2000 years, is the time span for a galactic season. There are climate changes and 'disasters' (actually just necessary adaptations, but man's presence turns them into 'disasters') about every 2000 years, of varying severity, with the mildest occurring at the spring and fall equinoxes, and the more severe at the solstices, with winter being more severe than summer. The events include earthquakes with their associated volcanic activity, short periods of extended darkness (like a whole day being dark, without sun, just until the next day, perhaps), flooding with associated water contamination and pestilence.

Those things are occurring now, with the exception of the darkness, but that remains to be seen, of course. We haven't had a galactic winter solstice in the known history of the current race of man. Also, the 'new' date of the 'end of the world' (12-21-2012, the Mayan calendar end-date) is significant in that it coincides a earthly winter solstice with a galactic winter solstice. This hasn't happened in 26,000 years.

Many cultures and traditions/legends all have parts that tie into one big collective 'end of the world' story in one way or another, just as they do for a 'creation' story, and a 'flood' story. That 'flood' very possibly marked the last galactic winter solstice. There's another factor, which is numbers. They show an even more common thread of the same concept.

I'm not one to subscribe to 'it's the end of the world' and all the associated craziness, mainly because if it is, then it is. What can I do? But this has gotten my attention, and there's no denying certain things, if you're not afraid to acknowledge them.

In no way am I saying I know what will happen, or when. I only know one thing: things are not just like always lately, and they're not going to be getting any more stable before they get crazier, first.

It many ways, it makes sense, in an orderly universe. The problems mentioned with the environment, regardless if caused by man or just normal cycling of the system, are not fixable anymore, without a drastic 'spring cleaning' (or would that be 'winter cleaning'). That's just my opinion.

 

Global warming is actually much more complicated than just a warmer climate. Some places will get warmer, others will actually get colder. With changing temperatures it has the potential to screw up the jet streams, gulf streams and other weather/ocean patterns. Its actually hard to predict what is going to happen except that it will be a very big, complicated problem with no solution if we don't fix things before its too late.

 

Then how can that actually be 'global warming'. Sounds like a climate change of global proportions, but not caused by a hole in the ozone, or trapped C02 or methane taking away our protection from the sun. Why and where are new cold spots formed? The ones we've had for so long were due to the logical reason of not getting sun, like the rest of the world does, with the ice capped areas being pointed in parallel directions compared to our orbit around the sun and our rotation upon our axis. Cold spots are only going to occur in regions affected likewise. There's no way the earth could be cooler around the tropics while the poles are warmer, and it be 'global warming.' That doesn't happen, it's not logical.

They predicted the process of global warming just fine up until now. I understand what you're saying about this. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's anything we can or should fix. How foolish and arrogant mankind is to think they can change planetary evolution! Even if we caused it, now's a heck of a time to be realizing the need to fix it. But I say, who says it's broken?

 

That's a common misconception. Global warming is a total global average increase in temperature. The poles are much more affected (they warm up faster and show more change) than other regions of the planet. Also, with the average global temperature going up, it changes weather patterns everywhere, meaning some places may cool down, get wetter, get drier, etc. The climate is an extremely complex system, expecially when you're talking about GLOBAL climate changes, so when you change one variable (increase in temperature) you can get a wide range of effects in different places at different times. It won't simply just uniformly heat up all over the world.

 

Brandon,

Yes, I have since looked up some stuff about that, as questions were raised within. I learned about the 'wet' and 'dry' alternating global climates, to do with Hadley cells, I think it is.

I don't think we're the main cause of global warming to occur, maybe accerlerants (with our propellants, ha ha) but it seems this is a naturally repeating change. Necessary for the planet's life.

There are still other things going on that can absolutely not be explained by this, though, which are of a non-geological or meteorogical nature.

Besides those things I won't mention on this forum due to topic relevancy, the Mars Global Surveyor brought data to NASA from which they concluded that the southern solar cap of Mars is receding. What's that about? That's what's got me puzzled.

 

Maybe maybe not. We don't understand climate or weather very well, and it being such a complex and chaotic system, it's hard to say one way or the other. Still, there is strong corellation between CO2 levels and global temperature. We know it's a greenhouse gas and it's obvious that if you add more CO2 to the air, the world will get warmer. Simple logic. We know we are burning carbon based products at a high rate, releasing CO2, so we must be impacting global climate. Simple logic. It may be part of a natural trend but we're throwing a monkey wrench into it, and, along with all our other hazardously stupid impacts on the environment, it isn't good. I don't think we should sit around saying "well, its a natural trend, so no worries" then all go buy Hummers and burn some oil wells for fun. We need to stop being stupid and try to not screw nature over so much. Otherwise, it will come back to bite us in the ass.

 

I tend to believe it is much further out of our scope of control than we understand. If the world got along just fine all the time up until 6000 years ago, what makes us think it's up to us to define and control nature?

Regardless of speculation by scientist and layperson alike, the fact is, it's all speculation, with no feasible benefit except maybe assisting us with facing our own sense of control over our environment. We have no control over the earth's natural occurences. We do contribute, but the earth will easily recover. And possibly eliminate the chance of further contributions.

If we're in for an ass biting, then it's already coming, IMO.

 

My point wasn't in controling nature, it's in controling ourselves. We can't make the earth cool down, but we can stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere. Damage control means controling ourselves and our actions.

 

I have to disagree with you when you say that the Earth "will easily recover". Moreover, I wonder what basis you have for saying such a thing when you've just gone on about how all this climate change stuff is simply "speculation". Do you have any proof that the Earth can rebound from the speculated impact of human activities upon the environment. I doubt it. On an empirical level, we can take a look at what's become of the Middle East and southern Europe for instance. These were once the seats of mighty empires, but humans soon exploited the natural resources and altered the landscape to such an extent that this region went into decline. This was a slow and gradual process. What we are doing to the environment, and our natural resources is ten times worse, and on a scale that is unprecidented. It's not arrogant to claim that humans are having an impact on the Earth's climate--it's simply a logical and factual statement.