Iceland Resumes Whaling

So now I've got a Nootka or Haida after me, not to mention some black guy from the Azores who posts 'kill whitey' pictures and somebody by the name of Otter who doesn't like my source but doesn't care to quote a source of his/her own. All Otter says is that Schneider and Pearce like Greenpeace. I didn't happen to know that, but I wouldn't hold that against them.

By the way, I am white, and I don't apologize for it, and unlike some other people on this channel I am not a racist. And if you are a racist, why not hang out on some other site that appreciates it. I'm sure you can find one.

And say, AfricaUnite, just how does a whale get out of control? Were you planning on eating all that krill yourself?

By the way Otter, what do you do for a living, if anything? I'm really impressed. You'd probably make a good Conservative MP from Newfoundland (nothing personal). I am not impressed by the economic argument that killing the whale puts money in someone's poor little blood drenched bank account. There are other ways to earn a living.

I heard better arguments on the military.com forums, where the grunts and jarheads sound off with all the intelligence you can expect from that breed.

You guys are going to do just great after you get out of Junior High.

 

I think I prefer the whaler than having a hord of dirty people asking for my spare change all day and crying for others to support them.

I wonder what whale taste like?

 

I might prefer that too, if that were the choice of situations. I'm not sure what your point is. Just speaking for myself, I'm not dirty, I don't ask for spare change, I make my own living, I own significant mutual funds, and I have a degree in mathematics (1968) and two certificates (1976 and 2002) in computer science.

There seems to be quite a variety of contributors on this site, and if I get insulted now and then I just have to consider the source. There are some real winners here, from the African with the 'kill whitey' sign to the alleged environmental scientist who can barely put a sentence together. These people are posting on hipforums/activism/environment yet most of them don't seem concerned about the environment in the least, let alone conserving wildlife. You think maybe they stumbled on to this site by mistake. I hear more solid arguments from the rubbies down at the Royal Hotel.

 

LOL no I meant like peple who are having to face a choice between a tradition and employment as apposed to being jobless and having to pan handle to get by is all.

Dont know ya so I will you work hard so you used your right guard, lol

 

Thanks, Ferryman. What's your claim to fame?

Now I want to get general for a little bit, and I'm not worried about offending you, since you all seem to be offended already. I'll say this once, and I'll say it real slow, so that even Otter can understand it.

"THE WORLD IS DYING IN OUR TIME."
Farley Mowat,"Sea of Slaughter", McClelland and Stewart, 1984
"The Earth is a living thing, and like any living thing it has diseases. One of these diseases, for example, is called Man."
Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"
"I give the human race another hundred years at the outside."
Jacques Cousteau, marine biologist

Do you guys think this is some kind of joke? Ever hear of Thomas Malthus?
(Yes, a Google search will for you here.)
I'm fucking serious here, I'm talking the end of the biosphere and you guys are talking about your little bank accounts. Get a fucking grip!

"We who are alive today can claim no such exculpation for our biocidal actions and their dire consequences. Modern man now has every opportunity to be aware of the complexity and inter-relationships of the living world. If ignorance is to serve now as an excuse, then it can only be wilful, murderous ignorance.
"The hideous results of five centuries of death-dealing on this continent are not to be gainsaid... Evidence of a return to sanity is not yet to be looked for in the attitudes and actions of the exploiters who dominate the human world. Rather, the emerging signs of sanity are seen in individuals who, revolted by the frightful excesses to which we have subjected animate creation, are beginning to reject the killer beast which man has become."
-Mowat op. cit.
(Sorry about the big words, Otter.)

Have a good day!

 

Sadly extensive mismanagement of all resorces or the out and out exploitation of them has resulted in a very strong chance that we shall exterminate ourselves.


I cant help but wonder if it has already been figured out that a wide spread population reduction would achieve great leaps towards a fix to the problems we have. Im not suggesting that is a good idea. I do fear that as it is easy to see that a drastic population reduction would change alot perhaps wealthy powerful people have also figured this out and is thier already something in the works to do this?

 

i very much doubt if industrialised whale harvesting was available to early hunters.

taking on a whale was a dangerous affair in a small boat if you pissed it off enough it might kill you

chasing down whales on the high seas or in someone elses territory in large machines doesn't seem very brave to me.

whales do have predators, they take big chunks out of them or eat the calfs.

i've got an idea, why don't we just harvest everything from the ocean and i mean everything down to the krill, kill it and eat it. barren oceans are not a new thing, its very logical, when the earth was forming not much actually existed in the ocean, therefore by killing everything in the ocean we would actually only be doing what nature has already done herself, anyway there are many creatures who eat other creatures - we are not doing anything out of the ordinary .

whilst we're doing that we can burn even more coal and create more greenhouse gases, why because nature herself has created volcanoes which spew heaps of greenhouse gases out, we wouldn't be doing anything out of the ordinary. when the temperature rises, when there is nothing to eat perhaps we can cannabalise ourselves and this wouldn't be out of the ordinary, cannabalism is a very normal activity practised by alot of people for a pretty long time!

you see most normal reasoning can be distorted and twisted to such shapes that even the most outrageous and criminal of activities can seem perfectly normal. its why despite the warnings we are going to get ourselves into even more trouble because reasoning based on destruction has only one logical end.

 

Wow you really are not very smart. Did you even read any of my posts? A scientist does not have to have perfect spelling.

I agree with you that if they are endangered we should not be hunting them. I was talking about your attitude on the right to kill marine mammels. You should not be posting on a public forum if you can not handle people who disagree with you.

and attacking someones spelling in an argument is what people do when they have nothing to add.

 

You have no idea about any of the work I do. Right now I am making a study about how logging and housing developments impact water quality and how it effects the wild salmon population in my traditional territory, some of which are endangered. Soon I will be putting up all my work on to my tribes website (after I update the entire thing) and I will be posting the address here. What do you plan on doing to help the environment? swear at people who disagree with you on the internet.

 

Komokwa:
I am sure you are doing important and valuable work. I would encourage you to continue your contributions, especially as they may effect salmon. Keep up the good work.

It's just that you don't seem to be too supportive of protection of whales and other marine mammals such as seals. Maybe you were planning to have krill or squid for dinner and some bowhead whale got to them first?

The fact is, right now I am under-employed and doing diddly-squat to protect the environment, other than send off e-mails. One thing I am doing is updating my will so that Sea Shepherd Society and International Fund for Animal Welfare will be named as beneficiaries.

Thanks, David

 

Thanks. Your sarcasm is obvious. You're saying the opposite of what you mean, which means you're on my side.

My own feeling is that if there is a God interested in this little world, which I doubt, it is cooking up some new plans to annihilate the human race. The HIV virus is one of its pilot projects, but this God is also working on avian flu and desertification and probably some other little gems we don't know about yet. After all, we humans have exterminated our natural predators, we are multiplying like horny rabbits headed for a herd crash, and we are throwing all those other delicate life support systems (ozone, CO2, free oxygen, nitrogen cycle) out of whack.

We can count on being survived, following our herd crash, by nitrogen fixing bacteria, phytoplankton, zooplankton, and possibly some higher species such as cockroaches. Provided, of course, that ozone depletion and radioactivity allow this much.

 

13 Rose Street SW
Medicine Hat, AB T1A4N2 Canada
phone 403-527-9024
23 October 2006
Monte Solberg
Member of Parliament (Canada)
Medicine Hat Constituency

Dear Mr Solberg:

Given Canada's continued brutal butchery of its Atlantic seal population, we have no business lecturing Iceland on its current whaling activity.
Nevertheless, something has to be done. Iceland's murder of Atlantic Fin whales and presumably other types of whales is flagrant, cowardly,
and illegal in terms of IWC rulings.

I suggest that Canada close its ports to Icelandic vessels and place an embargo on all Icelandic products as long as Icelandic whaling continues.

Sincerely,
David J. Brown

cc: Kristenn Gudfinnsonn, Ministry of Fisheries, Iceland

​

 

October 23, 2006

Mr. David James Brown
13 Rose Street SW
Medicine Hat, AB T1A4N2

RE: Donation VUJF0C01027C (Visa)

Dear David James,

On behalf of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society I would like to extend our appreciation to you for your donation of $100.00. It is only through the continued support of concerned citizens such as yourself that we are able to persist in our efforts to protect our planet's marine life.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is a tax-exempt, 501[c](3) non-profit organization (93-079-2021). All donations are tax deductible to the extent of the law. No goods or services were provided in exchange for this gift. Please print and retain this receipt for your records.

Thank you for your support.

For the Oceans,

Captain Paul Watson
Founder and President

Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
PO Box 2616
Friday Harbor, WA 98250
(360) 370-5650

 

Ok because Dirtydog never was telling the entire story I did a bit of research on populations and the amount being hunted. I am not 100% positive with my research since I did it very quickley on the internet but no one else is showing actual population stats.



from what i read this is not a large scale hunt



Iceland plans on killing 30 minkes and 9 fin whales. This will have very little effect on the total populations.





http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,,20608274-5006007,00.html





“The total population of Minke Whales is estimated to be in the order of 184,000 (95% confidence interval, IWC Scientific Committee 2004)”



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_Whale





“The waters of NY are home to approximately 200-400 fin whales, while the numbers in the Northwestern Atlantic are conservatively estimated to be approximately 2800. In the Southern Hemisphere, there are thought to be over 100,000 fin whales; in the North Pacific about 20,000. The total population in the North Atlantic may exceed 35,000 (including 17,000 in the Mediterranean).”



http://www.cresli.org/cresli/cetacean/finwhale.html

 

Thanks, Komokwa. At least you are stating your sources, which is more than Otter manages to do.

I think if I were one of those nine fin whales, I'd be very understanding of your point of view. I'd be a bleeding heart, so to speak.

So: If they're only going to kill nine fin whales, how are they going to make money? Money is what it's all about, right? Kill for the Yankee buck. Sounds very spiritual to me.

"Now John the Baptist after torturing a thief, looks up to his hero the commander in chief, and says tell me great leader, but please make it brief, is there a hole for me to get sick in?" -- Dylan

Anyway, Komokwa, I feel very uplifted by your message, so uplifted that I'm gonna have to get to the can and throw up, real quick. You're an inspiration for sure.

 

10/23/2006

Sea Shepherd Calls on Total Boycott of Iceland


Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is calling for a total boycott of all Icelandic products and tourism to Iceland in protest of Iceland’s decision to contemptuously flaunt international conservation law with their illegal whaling activities.

Iceland's decision earlier this week to resume commercial whaling despite the global moratorium on commercial whaling has already hurt the country's tourism industry, with several whale watching companies reporting cancellations.

Iceland’s announced intentions to murder 30 piked (Minke) whales and 9 endangered fin whales make it the third nation to whale illegally after Japan and Norway.

The tourist industry represents about 6% of Iceland's gross national product, according to Thorleifur Jonsson of the Icelandic Travel Industry Association.

Iceland is expecting 26,000 tourists to come to Iceland next year to participate in whale watching campaigns.

“People who pay money to go out and see whales are not going to support tourism in a nation that illegally kills whales,” said Captain Paul Watson, founder and president of Sea Shepherd.

The Icelandic Travel Industry Association said the tourism industry had been growing robustly in the past decade, thanks in part to the emergence of whale watching as a tourist attraction. "We are very worried that (the resumption of whaling) will have an impact... The worst case scenario would be if tourists stop coming to Iceland," Jonsson said.

We need to give Iceland cause for worry. Any person who loves whales and wishes to see them protected must let Iceland know loud and clear that you have no intention of visiting Iceland until their unlawful and inhumane whaling is ended.