Religion is Silly.

I think I'm going to put that on a shirt.

Just because we don't like the idea of dieing and not being around anymore, we feel the need to create and/or latch onto all these stories of miraculous all-powerful beings that won't prove they exist but want us to be with them in a very convenient afterlife. I would be willing to bet that all religion was created from a fear of death.

Seriously, I don't think any god would be that opposed to show himself conspicuously once in a while to let people know he/she/it exists.

 

your money your shirt, free speech. go for it. personally i wouldn't put anything on my body which gives the impression that i need to feel more intelligent than other people. a religious belief or a philosophy of life can be very personal issue.

you mind me asking if are you athiest or agnostic?

 

i agree with you mr soup

 

Maybe those who deny that God exists feel the need to do so in order to escape the frightening implications of God's existence. Maybe it's wishful thinking. If they can convince themselves that God doesn't exist then there is no God for them to be accountable to.

What we want to be true doesn't determine what is actually true. Why someone believes something, their motivation, doesn't say whether or not their belief is true.

Has God revealed Himself to man? The Bible claims to be just that. If He did would you accept this revelation or reason it away?

 

I would say atheist agnostic. Atheist in that I don't believe in a god, but I can't say for sure there isn't one. All I can say is that it's silly to believe in something you can't see, smell, taste, touch, or hear without any kind of evidence that it might exist. There's only a suggestion. To go with the suggestion, you have to believe either that one of the many books around is the word of god.

If god is going to make himself known, he should know better than to use circular reasoning. E.g. "The bible is the word of god." "How do you know?" "The bible says so." "What makes you think that's true?" "The bible is the word of god."

 

are you 100% positive life is limited to the 5 senses we can perceive? how do you know that what we can experience is all that there is to life?

how does it not require just as much faith to not believe in anything as it does to believe in something? either way you are making a conscious choice given your observations in this life. whether you like it or not you have just as much faith as a bible thumpin christian.

thanks for the insight on how gods outght to behave

 

where have i twisted logic? please do tell me so I can correct my ways. sorry if my post wasn't perfect but from the looks of it... none of us have flawless logic...

how do you know we are not as spiritually as blind as moles are visually blind?

my point is that we do not know and currently have no way of posessing the truth about our origin. all we have is our faith in what we believe.

sure, ask questions about the gods all you want... it will never bring you closer to the answer. i cannot speak for a higher being... that is if one exists.

i realize that you do not enjoy the circular logic apparant within some faiths, but this does not mean that there is no god, that god has never appeared, no god will ever appear again, that there is no higher being, or state of being.

 

Nope. Hence the I can't be absolutely sure there's no god. What else is there? Your "feelings" and suspicions are not senses until you can show something is consistently causing them. What is there besides experience? Really? Everything you know and are is the result of your experience. Maybe you can factor in genetic makeup.

Not at all. That's just silly. As I stated, I don't go around saying "There is no god, and here's the proof!" Faith is belief without evidence. My beliefs are built on evidence, hence I don't have a belief in god (or a belief that there definitely isn't one), hence I don't have faith. Faith is almost as silly as religion, really. I say almost because I believe that some people really need their faith. Religion is only secondary to faith.

Am I wrong? Is it logical? Is it a divine argument?

 

I guess none of us can KNOW if there is or is not a all powerful being out there. I still agree that religon is silly. Actually I think it is downright dangerous. How many humans have lost, and taken their lives because of religon.

I'll take a large. Do they come in grey? $20?

 

Belive what you want, just always be open to new experiances and ideas incase god does decide to apper.

 

belief and faith.

i can't disagree with that, i have no place in saying what is right, wrong or logical here on what we should expect of a god... nobody does.

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oh lemme hit on this again because i was a moron... sorry for being a dumbass...

atheists have just as much blind faith as any religious man or woman. i understand agnosticism but i never fully understood the appeal of atheism. i have always seen it as a hypocritical way of thinking.

i understand that YOU need proof for you to believe in something. for you, the truth is in the proof. for ME, i do not think we are significant enough for proof needing to be shed upon us, or for us to necessarily be able to comprehend/observe the proof. we are here trying to make sense of our situation and to go with the flow.

i believe the scope of reality is too large for us to fathom. i have always considered the fact that we are just too insignificant for our own good. we know nothing as humans. to suggest that we should be able to have complete perception of reality, the truth, and be totally aware of EVERYTHING in order to respect/comprehend our entire situation is a either a far cry or a necessity. that is up to the believer and that is where we will differ.

 

Reason is faith based. It precedes reason. Every belief system, even supposedly non-religious ones, begins with assumptions held by faith. Every belief system is a faith system.

 

Word.

These may not BE experience per se, but they are the result of experience. Your upbringing, mindset, teachings, openness to those teachings, etc.

I agree in that you can't put a divine being in a category without explicit knowledge of that being, but I think a god, at least the loving and just and all-powerful god, if he were trying to show humans of his existence, would give us more than a book that states in the book that the book is the word of god. Just because it's a faulty/nonsensical argument.

When I say I am atheist, I mean I have no belief in god. A theist believes there is a god, I do not have that belief, so in that respect I am an atheist. Agnostic is sort of the qualifier, that I will not discount the possibility of a god, and will be open if there's some sort of real objective evidence to condradict me. I don't really need complete proof, just some good evidence, not of the sort that you have to really stretch out and interpret a certain way.

I can accept that. I agree that it's quite possible given the size and scope of the universe and everything that there is a part of reality we cannot know at present. I just think it's silly to make guesses about it when we have nothing to go on.

No. Even though it takes experience to gain faith, faith itself, by definition, is belief without evidence. Belief with evidence is reasonable and logical. Maybe you're trying to argue that it takes faith to believe that reality is real or something like that, which is really just dumb. What other option is there? You can't live outside the bounds of reality. Reason is not faith based. It just doesn't work like that.

 

Faith is present prior to our thinking on any subject. We all begin with faith assumptions and then use them to reason. We are finite beings with limits to our knowledge and we can't know everything that there is to know. We assume certain things about reality.

 

agreed 100%.

maybe God, in this instance, isn't trying to prove his existance but show us the correct path to take in life.

there are two ways to looks at this...

you can have no belief in god
you can believe there is no god

the first would be the agnostic view and the latter of the two being the atheist. to simply have no belief is not to deny the existance of an all powerful and just being. if you have a set belief regarding god then you have crossed the objective line and are either an atheist or a theist.

i can dig that.

 

There is no neutral ground, everyone believes something. Once you are introduced to a concept, a position is taken. You either believe there is a God, believe there isn't a God, or you are not sure if there is a God or not.

 

religion people who let religion rule their heads are the problem ................god help us all.

 

Although I'm a hardcore atheist, I don't think religion silly at all.

 

I don't think religion is silly at all. Religion evolved in Homo Sapiens as a coping mechanism. Our large brain size allowed us greater understanding of ourselves and with that came the understanding of our own mortaility. Religion helped calm anxiety, explain the world around us, define approprate social behaviors, and place sociatial and group boundries that encouraged bonding and group cohesion.

Creation myths and religion are both biological and cultural forms of evolution to increased group co-heasion and approprate behavior and hence inproved reproduction.

 

yes
yes it is
(i initially wanted to keep that short an sweet, but i can't resist ranting)

although religion is seen (not immorally at all) by some as comfort to the problems of life: namely the end of it, it has caused more trouble than it seems to be worth. true, without religions, just as many wars would have broken out, people findin different disagreements and predujices to fight them over, but it is just one more reason nonetheless. religion or not, we can't correct the wrongs that have happened, an we're not gonna be able to prevent any other problems happening.