Yet another nightmare for an Atheist

bandit28,

"Campbell, as The Bible clearly states, this and so many other things will be refuted and rejected. I realy find it funny though that these non believers find it neccesary to go out of their way, to jump in here, and attempt to bash every bit of info we post. Then again, I just refert to The Bible and see it as scripture come true."


I totally agree, but I will keep on putting out every proof of the Bible to show that they are denying truth. It is almost like they would deny the sky being blue.

As a result, with all the fulfilled prophecies, archaeological and scientific proof a person who rejects the Bible would require more faith than a person that believes it. But still people will go to great heights to try to prove the Bible wrong just so they don't have to obey God's regualtions. But if they only knew that life was just a test with only two possible grades-Heaven or Hell, people would quickly turn and follow Jesus.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

-1 Timothy 4:3,4

 

ARTISTIC DESRUCTION NOT LITERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh and BTW yes, that in fact can be considered Goth. Being able to see something that emotional and perhaps see the beauty in it. And the fact you were able to point that out means you thought like a Goth!!!!

 

Well, I don't argue that the Saudi Muslims can be some fanatic nutjobs (having lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid I'd know) that freak at the mention of any alternate faith. But I would rather attribute their being all cagey about this mountain to their general fundamental nuttiness. After all, since they're such hardcore Muslims it wouldn't make sense that they were "afraid" that a "truth" they don't believe in would come out.

 

So you believe that God lives on top of a mountain in Saudi Arabia?

And your proof is that people way back when also knew the top of the mountain in the middle of the desert was burnt?

And you wonder why people laugh at you?

 

LuciferSam,

"After all, since they're such hardcore Muslims it wouldn't make sense that they were "afraid" that a "truth" they don't believe in would come out."

-The truth that would come out would completely refute the authority of Allah and would verify that the real God of this world is Jehovah(which is also the Christian God). And because this is the case that is why this mountain in the middle of the dessert is surrounded by armed Saudi soldiers.

 

-No God does not live on the top of a mountain but thousands of years ago he dwelt there and every physical aspect of the Biblical story can be found there. Such as:

-The Red Sea Crossing
-Exodus Route
-Bitter Springs of Marah
-Palms & Springs of Elim
-Golden Calf Altar
-Boundary Markers
-Altar of Moses
-Twelve Pillars
-Cave of Elijah
-Mountain Touched by God


All of this is within site of that mountain which proves again that the stories of the Bible are literal and not allegory. The government of Saudi Arabia is not laughing because they also know the truth and are hiding it.

 

A charred mountain top is not proof of god's existance.

 

Many of the people that run Saudi Arabia are some of the most fanatical Muslims you'll ever meet. It doesn't make any sense that they would think they're hiding the "truth" about a religiont they don't follow. As I said I think it's just their general fanaticism that is why they would guard it. They're ridiculously touchy about other faiths... when I lived in Saudi Arabia I remember pictures of other religious symbols were often blotted out with black ink by the censors.

Nonsense. You automatically jump to the conclusion that the fervently Muslim Saudis would simply believe that a burnt mountain top (if that's indeed the case) is proof of a rival faith's God. They wouldn't believe that because they're not Christian. You believe because you are I take it a devout Christian and you see it as supporting your faith. You accept it as matter-of-fact "evidence" that fits snugly into your Christian view of things. They wouldn't believe what you believe. Hell, if anything they may think of it as Devil's trickery or something. Would you believe it if some fanatic Muslims touted some long-lost relic or sacred place to you as proof of their faith? I'd doubt it, because you're obviously convinced that your faith is the correct one.

 

Black hash pot was what big daddy Jewsuz wuz tokin az day axed him.

dayh had no scissorz

 

Yes Sera, a Charred mountain alone is not proof of God's existance. But there were ten items mentioned in the post which would substantially strengthen the arguement, which you failed to mention in your post. I'm sure that was an oversight. Don't you think it's kind of funny that Saudia Arabia
is trying to hide the mountain. You got to laugh, heres this mountain in the middle of the deseret, with a six foot fence built all around it and guard posts.
We have armed Saudia military guards with guns guarding a mountain in the middle of no where. Now what is it about this mountain that deserves so much attention?

 

Here is a good link refuting the possibility of Mt. Sinai being in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html

Ron Wyatt is a whack-job who is denounced by any serious biblical archaeologist. I would unconditioanlly question anything he suggests is true...

 

Sorry but the whack is on you. Explorations Films sent two Americans undercover into Saudi Arabia. One Christian and one that was not. They went in there with information from Ron Wyatt. Everything that the Bible describes about Mt. Sinai they discovered. The whole story was aired on National Geographic Television. Jack Hayford of the same said of the film. "This is a masterpiece of research and significance..a great piece of work and one of the most remarkable things that has happened of recent years. " Ian Reed, Reuters News Agency said of the film. " Your exploration are fascinating. Your story is remarkable!" They found the stone altar that the golden calf was mounted on, they located the caves of Moses, They found the 12 granite pillars the bible describes, they found the cave Joshua stayed in when moses went up the mountain to receive the Ten Comandments, they found the split rock of Horeb, the 12 springs of Elim, and they even found the bitter springs of Marah. Inside the caves of Moses is ancient writings that stated that the Children of Israel passed by this spot when they left Egypt. The Saudi government does not want Christians or Jews coming to the site and have put up a six foot fence around the mountain. The mountain has guard shacks around it and armed soliders patrol it so no one can easily approach it. The two Americans had to forge their pasports to get in to see it and used night vision goggles to manuver around at night. According to the Bible when God was on the mountain the heat on the top of the peak was like a furnance. The two Americans stated that even thought it is a granite mountain the peak is burned black. This was the same thing that Ron Wyatt and his son stated. You can get this DVD by calling 1-800-964-0439 The title to ask for is, The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai.

 

Well heres the thing they don't just try and shine there glorious light upon us they shove it down our throat and won't let it go. I think ALL religions were invented by man. And they were intended to control the masses why do you think so many countries are still run by religion, because if you shove something down someones throat from the time there born there going to believe it and if they know nothing about other religions they only believe theres and then the country can be run by a religion, everyones brainwashed, thats why the middle east is so fucked up cuz there all run by dictator fanatic freaks. And just because i think that religion was invented by man, that doesn't mean i'm not spiritual, i belive there is some god whatever he/she/ or it may be i dont' know but i believe there is one whether it be the spirits of mother nature (which i lean towards mostly) or jesus christ, i don't know but i know there is one, but anyways yeah they shove the so called "light", (i call it more of a spiraling black hole of boredom because you can't do anything because your afraid it's a sin and you'll go to hell type of light) down your throat.

 

oh and by the way i just thought i should point out that just because a mountain top is burned doesn't mean god descended upon it whilst on fire, when i hear things like this i have to wonder to myself hasn't anyone heard of fires???? But me thinking that is completely rediculous the logical explination is that a man descended from the sky whilst on fire and burned the top of a mountain. that makes more sense


hmmm...... i had no idea peyote was being used so long ago, but they were in the desert and bored so i guess thats a reasonable explination for that. But i must say it is an entertaining story isn't it, and my oh my they must have had some wild trip.

 

Gods way is the only way....not ours

 

Both members of this expidition are self-proclaimed Christians. I have seen the DVD borrowed from the library. National Geographic did cover it, just as it has cover the lost city of atlantis, bigfoot the loch ness monster, and MANY, MANY other inconclusive items of interest. National Geographic often has programs about evolution, do you beleive them also?

Yes... but then again he is a pastor with no archaeoligical or geological background.

Yes it is fascinating AND remarkable, but does that make it a VALID scientific study. No.

They found a stack of rocks and some caves. I have the same thing not a mile from my house. Is it Mt. Sanai?

Just read this.. its much easier than explaning... http://www.totheends.com/sinairev.htm

Yes, they were trespassing. The fence was erected after Wyatt's claims to keep whack-jobs like him from tresspassing and stealing artifacts. This area does have over 3500 years of petroglyphs and caves that were inhabited LONG before the exodus from egypt.

Well thanks but no thanks, but I have plenty of other REAL archaeological documentaries I could waste my money on. Yes the peak is black. From the pictures it is clear that the line between black and brown follows a clear stratified line of rock. So, either God decided to stop burning the mountain on a very clear line that followed the layers of the rock, or it is just a layer of rock. Why is this peak blakc at the top and the hills around it are not? It is taller and exposes a leyer of rock that has been eroded from the surrounding hills.

Why go to all this trouble to refute the traditional Mt. Sinai (Jebel Musa)? It is has long been widely beleived to be valid. Just because the top isn't black and some self-proclaimed hobby explorer named Wyatt says so? None of his work has one ounce of credibility, so continue to defend his 'discoveries' if you will. It only reveals your level of gullibility. I for one will stick to TRUE archaelogists who are working in these fields.

 

Ron Wyatt has no credibility, you need to start doing your homework. A dream team compiled of scholars and archaeologists from Harvard, John Hopkins, and Archaeological review are now appealing to the kingdom asking for permission to examine Ron Wyatt's site. The editor of Biblical Archaeology Review was quoted in Newsweek that Ron Watts discovery is now the most likely location for Mount Siani. The only reason Jebel Musa was believed to be valid was because of tradition, all of the evidence however points to Wyatt's discovery.
If you are looking for the true archaelogists working in these fields, you will not find them working at (Jebel Musa)

 

Popthree must still be doing his homework because he still hasn't replied.

 

here here blupgian.


i completely agree.



religion can not be proved nor disproved but can fall under questioning. no-one can tell you your wrong or right because their opinions are based on the same questionable possibilities as ourselves and therefore cannot discout anything.

it's all a matter of faith. faith in the existance of a higher being..faith in the non-existance of a higher being.

 

if one saw this thread on the active thread list and wanted to know a little bit more about christian topics (i know very little myself) does anyone really think that this thread would be welcoming and open?

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