the definition of sell out: Jimi Hendrix CHECKS

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  1. drumminmama

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  2. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    you can't call him a sell out. He was'nt around to do this.
     
  3. USA in decline

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    could some 1 tell this person = jimi hendrix die in 1971
     
  4. Jesus the Jedi

    Jesus the Jedi Senior Member

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    Im sorry, ive never seen any of your posts, but this one convinces me that your pretty much retarded.

    But you could be right, he couldve signed something so they could make jimi hendrix personalized checks.

    wait no your wrong.
     
  5. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    joni would never sell out like this although i can see why jimi did it
     
  6. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    Jimi did'nt do shit.

    jamie has destroyed hendrix. She made "Jimi Hendrix red wine"...hendrix drank red wine with the sleeping pills that killed him that night. Anyone that calls Hendrix a sell out because of wha his step-sister who he only met once or twice does is a fucking moron.
     
  7. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    isnt in janie hendrix??
     
  8. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    last time I checked, the dead couldnt write checks..
     
  9. drumminmama

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    Look, I know Hendrix died in 71. I grew up with the newspaper clipping fluttering around my house (although to this day neither parent can say why) It was the day after my third birthday.

    MOST merch deals are signed by someone other than the artist (usually a management lawyer..how do I know? hmmmmm)
    That's sort of a company built around the artist is all about: making a structure that allows the artist room to do what they do, profitably for all parties concerned.
    Some are VERY heavy on licensing: look at Grateful Dead Mercantile in the late 1980s and into today.
    Garcia's ungrateful brats went to college on T-shirts as much as concert tickets.

    I doubt Townsend looked for places to sell the Who's iconic songs to, or any surviving Zep members, or even Dylan, but all are in use: BUT it is their music and that evokes feelings, positive feelings.
    What does a hendrix check say?
    What does the culture want that this is out there?
    what is served by resurrecting the flower power days? (aside from boomers dreading aging)

    and MC, I've had a check from the Dead.... signed by a CPA of some sort, so , no, the Dead don't sign checks. But they sometimes sign Rex Foundation letters. (cymbal crash)
     
  10. BlackBillBlake

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    It's a well known fact that Hendrix along with others stars of the time was manipulated by record companies - I'm not surprised by this development. Maybe Jimi signed something one day when he was stoned?

    To call Hencrix a sell out is ridiculous. If he hadn't had a record deal we would never have heard him, and back then, the big record companies were pretty dictatorial, and had no scruples about ripping off their artists.
     
  11. drumminmama

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    bill, it's def the person in control of his estate who made the deal, worth far more today that he would have dreamed.

    I kind of started this thread mocking all the whiny so-and so sold out posts.

    I ask again:
    What does a hendrix check say?
    What does the culture want that this is out there?
    what is served by resurrecting the flower power days? (aside from boomers dreading aging)
     
  12. i'm_not_beethoven420

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    She tends to speak before thinking i have noticed, when you sign with a recorcd co., you give up alot of rights, it is the goal of the record co. to make money, like any profit oriented company, it would be just lovely if everything was free, but sister it is just not that way.

    When you go to the grocrey store & buy food, to you call the farmers sell outs, because they charge for the food they sel to the store, when you get your car fixed, do you call the shop a sell out because they didn't fix your car for free, when you pay rent do you call your ladnloard a sellout because he doesn't just let you live there for free. Home girl, do you get paid for what you do for a living?, are you a sell out becuse you don't do it for free?

    I mean, think before you post, being all blissed out is wonderful & all is great but ignorance is bliss, so get real here with what you have to say.
     
  13. Metallideth

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    Jimi didn't have to sign something for this. When he died his assets were left to others and now they decide what happens with his name.
     
  14. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I would not want to use a Jimi Hendrix check.


    Its the Bank customer who orders the thing who is the sell-out.
     
  15. samson

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    I saw this thread the other day, and it sparked some thought about Jimi and selling out. Even tho the headline of this thread sounds bad, it is kinda true, but not in the ways mentioned.


    I suspect that Jimi would have loved to have his own face on his checks, and would like this idea of him being on the face of money instead of a dead president.


    The record companies do all the work here, be it good or bad, and if you really want to call someone in the Experience a sell-out that would be Noel Redding - who gave up his rights to the music around 1974 for a paltry quarter million and regretted it the rest of his life.



    Jimi the sell-out....
    Actually, Jimi was a bit of a sell out, and went thru some mental anguish over it. The Panthers were furious that he was doing music more for white kids than helping the cause. This is the reason for the free shows in Harlem, to assuage Jimis feelings about helping his race.

    When confronted by the Black Panthers, he would tell them that they were right about alot of that, and he did things late in his life to make up for it. Songs like Cherokee Mist and Captain Coconut were about his family and culture.

    Captain Coconut was labeled MLK on the tape can, but the white guys working the studio didnt know what that meant!!! (thats eddie kramer, among others - if you need to know what MLK means I will be happy to tell ya, but I am guessing it can be easily figgered out by rubbing two brain cells together)



    The real bad guy here.....
    Alan Douglas did much to market Jimi after his death, based on meeting Jimi during a session early in his career (jimi played eight string hagstrom bass on a spoken-word recording of poetry by Bill Burroughs! that Douglas was producing), and ONE conversation late in Jimis life. The "you ought to handle my estate" comment led to Alan getting control, and the checks the record companies wrote to Al Hendrix were large enough to keep Jimis dad from complaining.

    Douglas had built a reputation for handling dead celebs, but had never handled a musicians estate. He ruined countless tapes and recordings of Hendrix. He also stonewalled great recordings from being bootlegged, and made sure they stayed as hidden as possible until the estate could cash in on it. Thats the reason there are SO MANY Jimi knock-off issues from strange countries, and Douglas pursued them legally whenever he could.

    Alan Douglas did more to sell Jimi out, and for me, did his best to keep the music from the rest of us by re-releasing the same cuts over and over again. Not far from what the estate of Janis Joplin has done, is it?


    Jimi was also a sell out in the fact that like the boys in the Who and Zep, he didnt care how much something cost, and managed to destroy lots of equipment and real estate. The bill for the damage at the rehearsal house in Woodstock the week before the show was immense!

    However, it was generally understood that Jimi had no clue about his finances, even during his life. Thats one reason he was either broke or rich, and no in-between. Jimi wrote ALOT of checks, and have even more made for him for numerous reasons. He loved to spend, and would probably have liked his face on checks more than most anything else that they have put out with his likeness!


    However, I have a hard time calling someone a sell-out when before a show in texas he was confronted by three huge rednecks with dinnerplate belt buckles saying "if ya'll play the national anthem tonite, we are gonna kill your ****** ass." Jimi went on and played it anyway.

    As for the questions by the person with the many posts on what message Hendrix checks send, and what is served by bringing to mind this person, it seems obvious.

    Jimi was true to his music, maybe more than anyone else, and no amount of his likeness on checks or keychains will take that away from him.
     
  16. drumminmama

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    would some one point out where I said Hendrix was the sellout?
    I would have posted this had it been Debra Koonz signing the deal for Jerry checks.

    I said only that Hendrix's image on checks was a sellout to consumer culture.
    I wish I could be surprised that people chose to insult rather than address the issue.

    the thought that he'd love to be the dead guy on currency is intriguing.
     
  17. samson

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    I think the point here is, to have sell-out and Jimi in the same sentence, you better be sure what youre saying, and how it sounds to others. This thread inspired me to thought, and Im sorry if you incurred that it was an insult, none was intended - to be sure.

    I even prefaced my post to make sure my angle of thought about it was noted. Sorry to offend, but Im not usually one of those who posts one line of agreement or dissent.

    I did address the issue, you were drawing comparisons to Jimi and his likeness being used in consumer culture, and I went in depth on how Jimi seemed to view finance. I talked about those who accused him directly of selling out, which noone else seemed to want to remember, as well as how he had been sold out by others. I dont know if I needed to make my opinion more palatable, or more on topic.

    Hey, I even agreed that it was the record companies doing it, what more do you want? hehe

    no hard feelings, okay? I was just thinkin about what you posted!

    peace ;)
     
  18. drumminmama

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    no hard geelings with you samson, just the one liners without thoughts.

    And yes, I know what MLK stands for & the value of it in the time period.

    (altho I have a history disconnect: I was chatting with a gentleman on a unity day walk & it turned out he was original SCLC. The photo rights I managed to score for the paper were of King, Abernathy and the gentleman- Gilbert Caldwell. My disconnect was the age of this man- in his late 70s. My memories are of course photos of the time. )
     
  19. Radiation

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    Is it really so much different than a Hendrix t-shirt or a Hendrix poster?

    Just a matter of taste I think.
     
  20. drumminmama

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    I thought of that... but the T-shirt serves, crassly put, as advertising.
    What does a check do? who is really going to see it?

    Don't get me wrong, I beleive artists of all stripes whould be paid for their work, and merch is the largest part of that stream. I have a few band shirts. Not many anyone has heard of, but hey, I put some fuel in the van for the next show.

    checks are almost as lame as Liquid Blue's license for GD incense (I think they make the Marley incense, too)
     
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