Abortion

In a sense Canada's image is the many winter sports such as Hockey, Curling, Skiing, Snowboarding, Speed Skating, and our summer national sport is Lacrosse, it seems sports is very much apart of the culture, the true Canadian image is of course the Native Americans. The problem for Canada is that unlike America which tries to patriotise immigrants Canada lets immigrants keep their cultures. I know you want me to say Canada doesn't have a strong image and it doesn't, and that's kinda sad.

 

wow I am suprised that you mentioned First Nations i was not expecting that from you. And this is a topic for another thread but Canada's image is not Native American's but that of destroying thier cultures.

of course Canada lets people keep thier cultures ( well to a certain extent) but that is part of Canada's image.

Canada was made from poor immigrants coming from other cultures and that is a huge part of who we are as Canadians. And yes many non white people immigrated from those "3rd world countries" you speak about in the past and they have contributed a lot of things to this society which you enjoy living in.
Your immigration attitude goes against Canada's own image

Canada is MUCH more then winter sports, all you are doing is taking some stupid stereotypes. And besides many of the immigrants who come to Canada also enjoy playing winter sports. You do not need to be white to play hockey. I never wanted you to say that Canada has no image but I was saying that poor immigrants have played a huge part in shaping Canada to what it is today.

I suggest you do some research on Canada's past.

here are some more questions for you

why are you so afraid of other cultures?

What bad qualities are they bringing over to destroy Canada's image?

and should these cultures you hate be allowed to have abortions?

 

If you care to look on past pages I explained how I'm an immigrant and what my take on it is. Second, I've lived in Canada long enough and made enough friends to understand that sports like Hockey ( not only ) are everywhere, and whenever you go to a bar or restaurant and there's a game on many will watch it, it's not a stereotype, it's like saying Russians drink vodka is a stereotype, it's a fact trust me.

To answer your questions:

1. I'm not afraid I just believe that cultures should stay in their own countries. If an Irish family immigrates to Canada and have substantial benefit and keep their culture that's fine, but if a load of poor Irish immigrants come over and start their own communities where their culture runs rampant, well that I think is wrong. It's getting to the point that Canada is not Canada but a whole assortment of foreign communities, there's little Italy, Chinatown, ext. If a German store open up near me, I'll check it out no problem, if a hundred German stores open up near me, well....I actually love Germany so I'd be okay with it, but then the Chinese would have an excuse to make a hundred of their chinese stores ( a few is enough ), I guesse it's hard to explain. Tell me if you got the jist of it.

2. They're not bad qualities, it's just like a blueberry pie, if you cover it with cherries, strawberries ad pineapple it ain't a blueberry pie no more.

3. I'm not a racist you ignorant bastard, abortion is wrong in any case, reason why Africa is so overpopulated and poor is because we have to get birth control ( condoms, pills ) to them so they can better control their numbers.

 

This is totally untrue. In the very first place, Africa is NOT overpopulated to begin with. It is the most sparsely populated continent on earth.

The reason people in many Third World countries have so many children is because the mortality rate, infant and otherwise, is very high. If a couple in Africa has six kids, they're lucky if half those kids survive until adulthood. If a couple has one child and calls it quits, they are very likely to go through most of their life childless. It is a fact that when socioeconomic/health conditions improve in a country, people don't feel driven to have as many kids, and the birth rate goes down. Also, Africa is a society that relies primarily on subsistence agriculture. In those types of societies, people have more kids because the more hands they have to work on the farm, the better. It's a labor-intensive, low-tech type of agriculture.

Also, the whole business of race is something that's made up in the minds of people. MaximusXXX says that he's a mix of these Eastern European 'races'. Did you know that many, many Russians and Hungarians, just as a small example, have Mongol blood mixed in with them, because of the invasions under Genghis Khan? That's the reason many Russians and Hungarians have an Oriental look to them. And who were they mixed with before the Mongols came? Lots of folks. And who were the Mongols mixed with? Chinese and Central Asians and a hodgepodge of all the different countries they invaded! Hate to burst your little bubble about 'racial purity'. The problem is that it doesn't exist, and never did.

 

haha, you calling me ignorat, you have no idea how much I am laughing at you.


Ever since colonization Canada has always been built with a whole assortment of foreign communities. Canada has always had many different cultures in it, the only difference now is that many of the growing communities are not white.

So what it seems your stance on abortion is that all the white people are killing thier babies so we are replacing the population with immigrants who are not white. And you wonder why people call you racist. Look at your example above where you say that german stores would be ok but chinese ones should limit themselves.

for your response to question 2 with your pie analogy. well it was never a blueberry pie to begin with. you keep ignoring my points that there always has been people from these countries that you fear immigrating to Canada.

I have read the entire thread and know that you are a immigrant which makes you a hypocrit. So what do you contribute to deserve to be in Canada, I know your parents are doctors, but what do you do that is so great ?

and why did you mention Africa when I asked you about abortion and cultures that you hate?

 

My parents gave me the right to live in Canada through their benefit to the country, I'm just lucky. I assumed that you think I hate 3rd world people.

 

At first I thought your views on abortion would be just the typical prolife and sexist view of controlling women. As you talked more on the subject it became clear to me (and many others) that your views are even more rooted in hatred with also being racist. Even more which no one has mentioned so far is that you are very classist. So your views on abortion are sexist, racist and classist and you are either ignorant or lying when you claim you are not any of these things.



I grew up in Vancouver (which is now only 50% white) and in a multicultural home, I am first nations, my father is Icelandic, my stepmother and her son and daughter where all Indians (from the country not native Americans) from Trinidad, and her sons girlfriend was Chinese. I know that many different cultures can live together and learn a lot from each other, since I have witnessed it. I have also had many friends from many different cultures and I can tell you we are all the same when it comes down to it. There are good and bad people from all different cultures and I am willing to bet that you have never even tried to even talk to anyone from any of these third world countries that you hate. I do not care if you do not believe in multiculturalism because in Canada it is happening whether racists like you want it to are not. Most people who take the racists stance that you are doing are just afraid of losing all the power. Canada was made with immigration, how do you think all the white people got here? But it has not always been just white people immigrating here but people from all over the world. This is what the entire country was built on.





You also have a very hypocritical stance on immigration, on one thread you claim only people who contribute to society should be allowed into these “first world countries” but then you yourself are just here because you are lucky. Do you realize that not everyone is rich and has a mommy and daddy to pay everything for them? This is why you are classist is because you see poor people as being below you just because you and your parents have money. Since you are not a doctor and you feel that only immigrants who contribute should be allowed to immigrate here then maybe your actions should go to your beliefs and you can go back to wherever you came from because we already have enough sexist, racist and classist idiots in Canada. I know you are can have any opinion and are free to say whatever you want but in Canada abortion is the woman’s right to choose and I am quite sure it will stay like that for along time.



Also I do not think that anyone mentioned this yet but it would be impossible to stop all abortions since woman from all cultures have always been doing them with herbs and when you take legal abortion away more woman are injured as a result of do it your self abortions and infanticide goes up.

 

First off, I am not a racist, for you see the internet is not the really the information super highway since many things can be manipulated or mislead. If you actually knew me as a person you would know all too well that I am in fact not a racist, I have both black and asian friends, people who I have grown up with and have had a good friendship for quite a long time. I NEVER implied that I supported racism in anyway, I NEVER implied that some races are better than others, you sir, are ignorant not me. As far as being sexist, I for one admit that men are for the most part pigs compared to women for most of us care way too much about sex and are more inclined to cheat on our spouses. I more than others respect women for what they have to go through in life, including the grueling task of 9 months of pregnancy and birth. I support women in all cases and believe they should have all the rights, if not more than men. However, abortion is murder, and saying that it is okay for a woman to kill a child because she is the one that has to give birth to it is like saying it's okay for a guy to rape a girl that dresses ( for a lack of a better word ) whorish.

As far as me being classist, no I doubt it, I went to an average school, and had average friends, I don't think I'm all that classist. Although to be honest I was accepted at several private schools near me, I didn't want to go because I hate boarding school, reason why I live in an apartment rather than on campus, I hate sharing one bathroom with another guy on a constant basis, I'm a bit of a germaphobe, except for some women, that I consider clean, but that's way off topic.

I'm a mix of races myself as I have stated more than once, but I don't like it, because I'm a huge sports fan and when international events roll around everyone cheers for their country, usually anyway, in FIFA I know all my friends do, now I for one cheer for Russia, however this year they weren't in it so I cheered for Ukraine, a country I lived in for a number of years. I know there's black players on mostly white teams and such, but it doesn't matter to me because they're great athletes, so why not have a great athlete on your team, I know if I wanted to make a winning basketball team I'd first check out the tall players or the black players ( black not because I'm racist but because it's proven black athletes have a better cardio system, they just do, genetics ) but if there's too much multiculturalism in the future, sports teams like Canada ( although Canada is quite bad in many summer sports internationally ) may have several different people from several different other countries, and then you don't know what you're cheering for. The NFL for example, I don't care, because it's a league, but internationally I kinda want to see most of the Russian team made up of Russian players, not asians, because even though there are a sufficient amount of asians in eastern Russia, that's not the majority of Russia.

Your judgment of me as being a racist and a sexist is just more proof of how touchy and hippie like our society has become, one word against A ( not several but just ONE ) woman's right and you're on my back accusing me of sexism. I mention Nationalism as a good thing and you acuse me of racism, oh and because I'm mainly against immigration, so is the nation of Austria, great country by the way.

I made this topic with the hope of getting responses explaining to me why people think abortion is right, and look what it turned into, an arguement of how racist and sexist you think I am. Thanks, I can now see how this board stays busy.

 

I believe it is awful and immoral. There killing a life. Peopl complain about the jewish holocaust when weve got our own holocaust over here. The american holocaust, Abortion. Its terrible but UNLESS, the woman was raped and does not want the child or for special reasons I understand. More or so, its the womens decision but still, it was Hitlers decision to destroy the Jews and there was hardly rebellion against him therefore we cannot stand for this. I'm sorry but its my opinion and I'm not afraid to speak it.

 

It's okay Riverstone, you're 13 and a male, hopefully there's still a couple more years before some woman has to worry about sleeping with you.

 

I think you're all nuts! I think you're a bunch of feminists!

Abortion on demand is wrong. Abortion as a means of birth control is irresponsible and malicious murder!

I think abortion is acceptable only when the mother's life is in danger, and then it's her choice if she wants to have the baby or not. How many cases do you hear about where the mothers life is in danger? Not many.

Rape cases usually don't involve pregnancy due to the trauma involved. When was the last time you heard of a rape case where the victim got pregnant?

As for saying I'm not a woman so I can't know what it's like to have a baby, that's like saying I wasn't in Viet Nam so I can't know what that's like either. Bunk! We can read all the facts and information on both subjects and get a good understanding of what it's like, that's what EDUCATION is for.

Well that's my opinion.


Bustramp

 

Very well said.

 

You're quite bright for your age, I'm surprised you've already reached the Holocaust comparison, very nice. Most 13 year olds do not know enough about abotion, let alone the holocaust, and here you're comparing them, very well done, Abortion is actually several times worse in numbers than the Holocaust was, and yes not many people were talking about the Holocaust at the dinner table in Germany, doesn't mean that was right or it's right with Abortion here.

 

You're creating HUGE what ifs. Also, do you realise how powerfull the vacumatic is? In early stages of pregnancy it can suck up a lot more than just the fetus. That's why so many women end up getting cervical and ovarian cancer, abortion is one of the main reasons for those types of cancer.

 

You are even more idiotic then I thought. first of all you can not compare abortion to the holocaust because the holocaust was a genocide which is a deliberate and systematic extermination of an entire culture and is when one group tries to destroy another culture, this does not happen with abortion since abortion has been happening for thosands of years and has had no effect on any culture. why are you surpised a 13 year old would say this he is probably just reading the same prolife propaganda that you are. Abortions are decided by the woman who is having one and the holocaust was a political group deciding to kill other people with the intention of destroying thier whole culture.

 

That's the thing. Why do YOU need to understand the reasons that a woman has an abortion? Or more to the point, why should the reasons that a woman has an abortion be pre-reviewed by government?

You acknowlege that there are situations where an abortion is appropriate. I think that the woman, who is going through her situation and has sought the counsel of those she trusts, can be trusted to make a wise judgement about whether her situation is one where abortion is appropriate. I definatly trust her judgment more than the compromise, news clip driven judgment of legislators.

Women can be trusted to make difficult decisions.

 

Thank you for the compliment.

 

Do you really think that reading a book is the same as being in Viet Nam, did learning about the war give you post tramic stress of serious injuries or what it would be like to see you friend die?

I agree that abortion should not be used as the main source of birth control but the fact still remains that it is part of the woman's body so she gets to decide what to do with her own body. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

 

maybe you should go read what the holocaust was before you come here and try and debate.

and did you just say that woman who get abortions are just like Hitler?

 

See, the irony here is that Hitler probably never actually killed a baby with his own hands.