what do you mean "reverse the effects"? it doesn't really do that. if you mean abruptly put the brakes on a bad trip, then yes, I suppose it's good for that; diazepam would be a better option.
Its an anti psychotic...Works good I guess. Tried it with risperidone it did the trick pretty well. Diazepam might be even quicker I guess. But its not a good idea to end a trip, for your future ones.
The "reverse the effects" was a quote from Erowid. Thanks for the info! I do not have any plans of using any form of anti psychotic This was just me being curious about it after reading the statement on Erowid. Just to be specific about what I read: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_faq.shtml ANTIDOTE The mental effects of Delysid can be rapidly reversed by the i.m. administration of 50 mg. chlorpromazine. Literature available on request.
i've been advised against that...i heard it gives you real emotional problems and stuff like that...some kind of benzo would be better as it dont completely stop it. it jus reduces the anxiety...x
D1 antagonists are nasty, may cause some extrapyramidal symptoms (i.e. tardive dyskinesia), a reason I really abhor haloperidol.
found out the hard way... had a bad dose of pcp, when I lived in philly. when my friends took me to the hospital, doctors injected me with haldol. the next day (after waking up from an 8 hour coma...near death experience, literally) I was groggy as hell, but as the day wore on, I had some really painful muscle contractions, like seizures.... hurts like all hell. and to remedy the symptoms, they gave me benztropine mesylate (cogentin), an anticholinergic. moral of the story: tranqs like thorazine (chlorpromazine) and haldol (haloperidol) aren't recommended, even for stopping a bad trip. most psych clinics don't even administer those obsolete meds, because of their tendency to give those parkinsonian-like symptoms; most have reverted to seroquel and risperidone
Why do people keep saying Diazepam or other benzo's will bring you down off a bad trip? I can only assume none of you have actually tried it. Diazepam does not bring you down, it does not reduce visuals, it only mellows you out a bit. It may help you relax, if you are having a bad trip but it does not stop the trip at all. It was common place in the early days of legal experiments with lsd, that if a person was a bit anxious before dropping lsd, to be administered some diazepam or librium with the lsd, to help make the trip go smoother. Maybe if a person took a really large dose of a benzo, that caused them to pass out, it would bring em down but there are better drugs availible to cause unconsciousness.
that's exactly it. benzodiazepines are anxiolytics, and a bad trip is basically an anxiety attack. glutamate receptors are goin' haywire, what better way than to counter with a GABAergic?
i don't think a bad trip is only an anxiety attack. For anybody that's ever had a really bad trip, knows it goes way beyond anxiety. A bad trip can venture the depths of the darkest realms of the mind. A person can still have a good trip while being anxious. A person can trip into any of the areas of thought and not like it and hence have a bad trip. Anxiety would only be one area out of many that could be considered unpleasant.
I'm 100% with polymer on this one, I think you might underestimate the severity of an anxiety/panic attack. They can lead you into nonsensical 'dark' realms of the mind when you are tripping. The anxiety is basically the reaction of your mind clutching onto your ego as it is disassembled. If this anxiety gets severe enough, that's when bad trips come on. Benzos can save you from this.
that's exactly what it is. demystifying the bad trip phenomena: bad trips are rooted in the utter loss of control (of your mind) at the expense of ego. in the case of really hard psychedelics like dmt, any attempt to try to control the experience from a first-person point of view, you'll likely find yourself in a fetal position under some covers, and the experience will be over before the valium pill kicks in lol I could see where an L-trip would be sheer terror for a control freak; but it may be just the ticket to knock that person off his self-righteous pedestal, a real dose of reality.
I actually think it was perfectly put. I've also achieved some marvelous trips combining mushrooms with xanax. Never needed it with L tho.
benzos dont stop bad trips they just reduce the anxiety and yes i have tried it too and it helped me to just ride it out...x
Tardive Dyskinsia will only result after long term use, over a period of time. A one time dose, to halt a bad trip won't give you Dyskinsia. Polymer, PCP is VERY different than LSD, things like Thorazine, Compazine and lastly Haldol are actually very effective in slowing a trip, as it antogonizes the neurotransmitters that LSD effect. They are nasty drugs. Most people will get a "hangover" from them. But, Actual Tardive Dyskinsia will not result from a one time use. There are still many hospitals which use them, and they were used extensively at places like Woodstock and the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic with success for many years. But, the doctor needs to deternine what drug you took. Nearly any trank, either antipsychotic like Thorazine or a Valium like drug can cause terrible side effects when mixed with PCP.