At the end of history...

Dont worry
human history is stored in our genes.
Hairy heads. not so hairy bodies=clothes
stored and applied by genes since last iceage.
[where only exposed part was heads]

Evolution works in thousand year blocks [not human days]
except for bacteria/virii

Occam

 

how can you be so sure? Are you saying we were all bald when only our heads were exposed? I don't think the future of humanity is written out in our genes at all, cuz that would indicate that there is such a thing as fate proving a higher being to write that fate.

 

The future of humanity is for humans to decide.
Based on what we have learned.If we ignor such. we have only ourselves to blame. And we ignore such all the time. Why else this 'new vietnam' in iraq?

While genetic traits are personal. Yet fit and change according to enviroment.
Nothing is 'ignored'.
Our evolutionary smarts are way smarter than out individual intellect.

Occam

 

The future of humanity is for nature to decide if it wants to allow us to destroy it anymore.

 

well it's between us AND nature. we learn to get along with it or we undermine its ability to keep us going to the point it no longer can and we no longer do.

at any rate this isn't likely to be a sufficiently rappid proccess for anything resembling a government in any form to survive it.

as a species we have just as much capacity to turn our earth back, or rather allow it to return to being, the paradise we evolved in, as we have had and continue to have, to turn it into the hell we've made of it.

throwing tecnology out with the bath water isn't going to do us any more good then worshipping it. being a bit more selective about our priorities as to how we want to be able to use it, and the subsiquent directions in which it evolves as a reasult of those priorities may be the only thing that will.

and that means being 'greener', however cleched that phrase may sound by now, and that don't mean the green of little green pieces of paper either.

the two dumbest things we're collectively doing right now is using combustion to generate enery and propel transportation, and trying to make everything have to begin and end with those little green pieces of paper.

i don't think it's any longer nonobvious what we need to be doing and not doing. the hard part that could make us or break us is figuring out how to get our collective selves on the path that our individual AND collective well being requires.

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Who cares anyway were all gonna die.

 

just my view point but
anarchy is impossible and unnatural.

wolfs have a class structure their is a leader and a loser groups of people have always lived in a form of goverment. but their just animals it really doen't work for people

if their is no goverment then people gather together to try to seize power it is human nature to not be in anarchy. the frist things that happens when a goverment is taken over is a struggle for power, anarchy will work when humans are all dead or have no desire for success. Anarchy can work on paper but human will never be able to be leaderless. Socialism also doen't work because of human design but for slightly differnt reason all socilaism that were ever around were just other forms of dicatators, because someone always wants to be on top

i vote that the world will be controled by religous zealot lead by a iron hand ruler who will get weapons strong enouph to kill opposition as these weapons go back and forth power will be tossed from one strong man to another

 

this is inaccurate and the belief vested interests want you to have.
the're may always be some who wish to tell others how to live and impose their will upon them, but there is nothing inevetable about their succeeding in doing so, nor natural about romantacizing and idolizing their so doing.

many many many societies have existed for thousands of years, WITHOUT formal hierarchal structures, but instead, defacto consensi, of turning to individuals who know what they are doing, but ONLY in the narrow contexts of what they actualy do, when it is felt that something within the perview of their lore, needed doing, but not otherwise being 'ruled' by anyone or any thing, other then shaired custom.

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ARTHUR:
Then who is your lord?
WOMAN:
We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR:
What?
DENNIS:
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week,...
ARTHUR:
Yes.
DENNIS:
...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...
ARTHUR:
Yes, I see.
DENNIS:
...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,...
ARTHUR:
Be quiet!
DENNIS:
...but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major--
ARTHUR:
Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN:
Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh.
ARTHUR:
I am your king!

 

napolian of be'd'l'am.
resplendent in invissable royal robes.

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hah, I watched that last night

 

Second Timothy chapter 3 verse 1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Ezekiel 37
The Bible tells us that in the latter years we will see the Jews returning to Israel.

According to the Bible, the last government on earth will be headed up by a man who will be controled by Lucifer. The Bible tells us that the last war on earth will be fought for the control of Jerusalem.

The Bible also tells us that America will be destroyed by a nuclear war, and it will happen in one hours time.

 

anarchy of course.

 

wow! i don't know what bible YOU're talking about, but the king james i've read word for word from one end to the other multiple times, i've never seen where it specificly mentions anything of the kind.

and rather quite directly to the point, the america that exists today was no more then one among of an infinity of as yet unimmagined possibilities at the time any of it was written.

and NO, there was no inevitablity of its comming into existence either.

it is also unlikely, "at the end of history" whatever the heck that might actualy mean, that "america" will even be remembered, or any evidence of its ever having existed remain, let alone itself still doing so.

america, or any other nation existing on this planet today

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The so-called end of history will see the strongest prevail over what's left of life ,be it humans,bacteriam,squirrels,weather,aliens--whatever.There can be no end of history--just the demise of those who have recorded what thinking beings have been able to understand as history.There will be some very bad shit coming down before we disappear from the scene.

 

people keep confusing "strongest" with 'most fit'. unless by strongest you MEAN "most fit". which does NOT mean most aggressive nor most physicly advantaged. rather darwinian fitness is the probability of mutualy bennificial COexistence of SPECIES (even though that can and sometimes does, translate into the eating and being eaten, by the individual members of them).

i aggree completely with the middle part of your statement: "humans,bacteriam,squirrels,weather,aliens--whatever.There can be no end of history--just the demise of those who have recorded what thinking beings have been able to understand as history".

as for the end of it, there will allways be good, bad and indefferent, all going on at the same time, and yes, worse then we've seen in our lifetimes, our species has seen before and may again, but please don't forget, the same goes for better then we have as yet immagened as well, and of course a whole lot more of what's in between then either of both.

whether we will have evolved or been replaced, will of course be accademic to those looking back, who will have done so. be they our own decendents or others.

i think what we're doing right now is screwing ourselves and indeed we are seriously cruzin for a bruzin by what we are doing to the web of life and the factors affecting it. especialy by the load of carbon we're dumping into the air and oceans, primarily by using combustion to generate electricity and propell mechanical transportation.

and that we could very well have all the comfort zone we want and are emotionaly attatched to without doing so, just by becoming a little less emotionaly attatched to the ways we are familiar with going about it.

there will certainly, eventualy, come times, hard times for individuals, all individuals of our species, when it's continued existece will hang on a thread and starvation and disease will be quite common. then those times will pass and the times that they do we will reemerge into an environment i would and do envy.

that can, really can, happen, and not so far in our distant future at that.
and of course eventualy, at somepoint, the neccessary conditions for that reemergence will indeed, no longer be there.

and i think under those circumstances what people there are then, will likely have other things on their minds then the 'niceities' of idiology or belief or anything not directly relating to their own immediate individual survival. or if we really will have grown by then, perhapse that of their neighbors.

but i do see many good times as well as bad down the long march of future history remaining ahead of us.

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It's optimistic to think that humans will even survive for another 3 or 4 million years as has been (somewhat proven) by carbon dating,that humanlike beings have been here that long.The fatal flaw,it would seem,is the strong desire for self aggrandisment relative to what the earth has to offer us humans,and that no one seems to take the population explosion seriously. The ability (?) to ignore warning signs,to procrastinate about what REALLY needs to happen in order to change our and all other lives on the planet is discussed by only a few.It's so obvious that the earth is not being run correctly when you consider that there exists billionaires on the one hand and on the other ,30,00 children die each year worldwide of--name the reasons--starvation,murder,neglect ---and full grown humans are still being chopped up,shot ,tortured,imprisoned,ect,ect.Is this any way to run a planet when we consider ourselves to be intelligent?Our partners ,the other sentient beings ,the ones that serve their and our purposes by being in the chain of life and riding along with us on our journey to??? are disappearing fast and I'm thinking that perhaps we won't be far behind.I don't think it matters in the scheme of things,but wouldn't it be fitting to see that all humans were fed,clothed and housed?Educated?Wouldn't it be fitting to see that nature (our home)was allowed to heal up and to be seen as necessary for our long term well being?When does the present path begin to look ridiculous and immoral?It already does to some of us.In fact it looks down right insane.Who made the rules that we have to be swept head long into the messes that we are confronting?Can the rules be changed?Does it matter?---------Why that's communism!!!! some (most?) would say.That's what is always said when anything that smacks of altruism --love for fellow humans comes up.--------.To my way of thinking all our energy should be going toward the study of the brain,medicine,space travel,education,alternative ways of living ect,and learning how to be real caretakers of the earth and our fellow citizens.But---what the fuck do I know?I'm self educated,so even as they say "a man who represents himself in a court room has a fool for a client"then I suppose I have had a fool for a teacher.

 

again you see clearly what we are collectively doing that is horribly self harmful. yet the course of events is never on a single track nor headed in a single direction.

humans aren't universaly rocket scientests, so of course not everyone is discussing what really matters and needs to be done. and indeed there are adverse consiquences of this already beggining to appear.

i'm not denying the hard times that are immediately ahead that we are collectively inflicting upon ourselves. my only point is that there may still be a morning after and a very long and diverse future after that morning after and what eventualy becomes of us after THAT, will likely be unrelated to anything going on, or even immaginable now.

of course we COULD already have passed a point of no return environmentaly. we may have past it when we made a god out of the automobile, and became so dependent on electrictiy that we started generating more of it by combustion then elsewise.

but IF we aren't already foredoomed by what we've already done decades past, then there will likely come a time of, in a sense, rebirth, after human population levels have been drasticly decimated by factors not entirely forseeable in their fine details.

a time when oil, coal and other nonrenewable and non self renewing fuels will have become a forgotten and all but unimaginable memory. and once this has come about, we could go on for a very long time, millinia or even megamillinia, once we have learned not to repeat the mystakes being made now, and indeed, with no longer the means of repeating the most harmful of them.

i don't KNOW that we'll (as a species i mean, i know that i personaly as an individual am unlikely to) be arround to wake up after, i just don't KNOW that we won't either.

we may have irreversably chosen a road, decades ago, that leads inevitably to the demise of the entire web of life on this planet. but if we haven't, if on the off chance we might not even at this late hour, be entirely beyond our self redemption so to speak as it were, then there will be that most wonderous time, i look forward to with the envy of knowing it will only dawn well after the natural lifetime of my own generation, and quite probably that of anyone now living.

contrary to vested probaganda, wounderous tecnologies can be devised such as to be completely harmonious with nature and not in any way dependent on the use of combustion. and i fully believe, that should even the tineyest remnant of our species survive to see that day, when nonrenewable fuels have ceased to be abundant, such a world can and will be what ours will then become.

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presumably some kind of successful communism, as that will be the only one (probably) that everyone will be well provided for and not jealous of people who have far more than them.