Do you realize?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by smokindude, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. simonoedipus

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  2. Lunatic_3051

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    it can also be translated as 'young woman' or 'maiden' as well as 'virgin' it's a misinterpretation of the text.

    and why consider religion, oedipus? religion is rules made by man. try seeking spirituality instead of religion


    SNAP!!
     
  3. shaman sun

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    Yet again, we get caught up in idealism and forget what actually is. Here is another question though: Perhaps the desire to change, to be perfect, to become something we are not, is actually an attempt to escape who we truly are? Maybe if we just accept ourselves and look in the mirror instead of trying to change our reflection, peace will arise naturally.

    So, maybe the will to be perfect is what creates a sense if imperfection.
     
  4. BlackBillBlake

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    I know what you're getting at here - but if we didn't sense imperfection, then how could the will to perfection arise?

    It's hard to accept our imperfections when it involves the suffering and so on of millions.
    Perhaps on a personal level, it is posssible to accept oneself as one is - it depends on many factors. But it's hard to see how we can just blithely accept the overall state of the human collective.
     
  5. simonoedipus

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    Hi Lunatic,
    I like your name but unlike you my crazyness isn't restricted to the phases of the moon:).

    Another word for her could also be "The immaculate Misconception".


    Regarding spirituality and not religion, Would it be ok to be good and bad without being punished if i held such a belief?
     
  6. Lunatic_3051

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    well,to begin, there is no such thing as 'good' and 'bad' (evil) but only our perception of it. Outside the human mind such concepts do not exist. What most christians believe to be good and holy, some muslims consider evil and vice versa.

    but if that's what your heart tell you to do, then yes. The word of the true god should be written on the heart, not in a book. you shouldn't be punished for doing what you believe, not by a religion of course, but if you do 'bad' things, be prepared for the worldly consequences :D

    oedipus, i also.... er.... like your name, but i wonder why you chose oedipus? unless of course you live in Alabama, then maybe it's understandable.
     
  7. simonoedipus

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    If you yourself believe in such a thing what exactly is it all about?..Is there god or gods?...I know little about these things if you take away the major religions, which i don't really claim to know much about on a high level.

    I'm glad you added a smily face after your warning..makes me feel much better..haha.

    I was a bit of a Doors fan in the early 90's and picked that name from one of their tunes."The End"

    Must visit Alabama one day..haha..I live in the UK though..Hope they won't mind me wearing my Antichrist t-shirt though.
     
  8. Asmodean

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    You could always go visit Alabama in another shirt.
     
  9. Varuna

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    Ideas to consider:

    1) It is simultaneously true that, the meaning of the Bible is only knowable as a complete whole, and, every word is meaningful. You must read the whole Bible, according to its own, self-defining meaning, to fully realize what it actually is.

    2) Historical accuracy is not necessarily the point. Every person, every relationship, every story, every meaning in the Bible represents an absolutely real aspect of every individual human. To fully realize this is to harmonize one's internal reality and external reality.

    3) This absolute harmony with the divine is Moshiach. This is the Jewish ideal, the ultimate goal of the ultimate reality, which will one day be the universal condition of all existence.

    One great debate is whether or not any human has ever completely mastered this.

    If you believe this has already happened for one man and his ever growing circle of faithful friends, and actually behave yourself according to what this means, then you are a Christian.

    It is vitally important to know that this harmony has nothing to do with controlling people or eliminating individuality. Harmony is the quality of every relationship between two or more entities (musical notes, artistic images, sensory information, thoughts, ideas, people) that somehow makes each of its participants more meaningful.

    Yes, there are more than a few biblical stories that turn violently gruesome when someone violates this harmony. But every one of those stories is a meaningful lesson about the effects of, and response to, that violation of harmony.

    4) The ultimate restoration of this harmony is one important aspect of every single one of the Mitzvot, or, Communications with God (sometimes translated as Commandments).

    The only reason I responded to this is because there is a lot of passionate argument about the Bible. It is good to know your own argument.

    Peace and Love
     
  10. simonoedipus

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    Haha Asmodean. I don't really have that type of shirt but i was curious as to know what the reaction would be if i wore one in one of the so-called bible belt areas in the US. Maybe a similar reaction i'd get if i wore a "I love Shaytan" t-shirt in Saudi Arabia..hehe


    Of course in Holland people wouldn't mind..I hope.
     
  11. Lunatic_3051

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    there is only what you believe. I believe in my interpretation of the divine nature and the reality and ramifications of such belief, but also I can't deny the existence of the jewish, muslim, or pagan god(s) because, as I've said, my faith is written on my heart and not on any paper. I can't deny another person's reality, the same way that another person has any right to deny what I believe to be true only based on their experience.
     
  12. Lunatic_3051

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    people in alabama are inbred. dunno if you caught that ;) i guess it's american common knowledge LOL
     
  13. simonoedipus

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    Ahh cool, So i can make believe my own god up, Make the rules myself and believe its gods will..Sounds good to me:)


    I understood the Alabama thing..Thats why i'd love to visit..hehe
     
  14. Lunatic_3051

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    the easy part is believing in the god. the hard part is making the god believe in you ;)
     
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    Maybe our sense of imperfection comes from our unwillingness to simply look at what is?
     

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