4 Ho Mipt

does anyone have any experences they want to share about this chemical.
I have never personalyy tried it. BUt I have heard marlevous reports and only great things about it.
Its on my christmas wish list. Hopefully santa will bring me some 4ho mipt.

Anyone that has had the opurrtoniy exploring this chem please share.

 

I am in the same boat as you I hope to be trying this one as well as several other 4-ho and aco compounds shortly. (Including 4-aco-dmt FUCK yes!). But in regards to 4-ho-mipt I hear it is alot like shrooms (I guess alot of tryptamines and especially 4-ho's are going to be sort of like shrooms).

 

Considering psilocybin is 4-ho-dmt.

 

I have this nasty tendency to say things in two seperate posts that could of all been said in the first one, and actually belong together.

 

Yes, very much like shrooms. As are all the 4ho/aco-dmt/met/det/mipt/dipt chems, 4ho-mipt more than most. Dr. Shulgin said he doughted he could tell thm apart doubleblind, I dought we can either. My next toy will be 4-aco-dmt, but do any of us really know that's what it is? Perhaps they just change the label and charge us more? I would guess the placebo affect from those magic DMT letter is there either way. Hell of a nice trip for damn sure. I haven't done shrooms in ages, this stuff is far cheaper and no choking down fungi

 

Yeah don't let anyone tell you about "back in the 60's" this or "pre-webtrypt" that. THIS is the golden age of phychedelics.

 

This is for sure the golden age of something, I think more so the golden age of research chemicals than psychedelics. Real LSD is still hard to get to the point of pretty much being gone(although I am sure some little community has LSD and is glad to see me thinking it is gone =P).

I think we are really at the start of a new begining folks. Research chemicals are really starting to get to be commonly known even on the streets. I personally have more friends and relatives that know what 2c-X or 5-meo-X is than don't. And really I am sure that more people know about this shit than let on and use it. I know tons of people in my personal life that use research chemicals or know somebody that has used them or that have used them once even if they don't frequently. I bet maybe the managers at the stores we work in have similar networks of knowing people that are involved in them....our familys obviously are part of the network just because we are in them....i bet when you see a stranger at your local shopping mall that his or her life has in some direct or indirect way been influenced by research chemicals (or not influenced thats strong of a word but that they have used em know somebody that has or etc you get the picture)

I think it is really up to us as a community to make sure that this golden age stays up though. And I don't just mean hip forums I mean hip forums, undrug, erowid, bluelight, lycauem, the hive, all the websites really and all the people that are involved in the bigger community of research chemicals.

Think of ecstasy. Back in the day the average jackass on the street didn't know what it was much less think it is some drug epidemic sweeping the nation. but now your average jackass on the street probably knows what ecstacy is and probably thinks that it is indeed an evil drug that is sweeping the nation. But it got to that point because of the way people advertised it....even "commoners" like you and me.

I know that a huge amount of people either support drugs , use drugs, or don't give a fuck about drugs in general. But I also know that they are not going to stand up and publicly say "Drugs? Use em all the time!" or "Yeah im friends with a bunch of druggies!" or "I don't give a fuck if your son does drugs" at their local church or baseball meeting or whatever. They got to that point because of propaganda and because of the way drugs are presented by the government in general, and of course through the media coverage of the full thing (MDMA had HUGE media coverage).

Thats why it is responsible for us as a community and as individuals to make sure this golden age stays. Don't sell this shit as the next acid the next ecstasy or the next anything, sell it only for what it is (if you have 4-aco-mipt and you happen to sell it tell people that it is 4-ho-mipt not acid or the next ecstasy) if you use research chemicals and people wanna know about them don't tell them oh it is just like acid or just a drug like ecstasy. PEOPLE HAVE BAD IMPRESSIONS OF WHAT A DRUG IS. PEOPLE IN GENERAL SEE ECSTACY AS A HORRIBLE DRUG. Tell them it is a "Research chemical" and tell them exactly what one of the "Research chemicals" it is and if they want to know more either tell them or point them to erowid. I know too many people that use chemicals that describe them to their unknowing friends as ecstasy or acid (these two in specific for some reason the two drugs with the most massive amount of propaganda built up against them save marrijuna).

I call "this shit" (to sum it up) chemicals. because they are chemicals. I don't like to call them drugs when I describe them to people, not because they are not drugs and not as some form of self denial or minimization, but because when people hear the word drug they immediatly succumb to the vast amounts of propaganda that are stored in their minds rather than think as individuals.

It is indeed the golden age of research chemicals. But it is up to us as a community and as individuals to make sure it stays that way.

 

It won't stay this way, all this stuff is gonna be schedule one within a year. I realize there are places that will send it anyway, but that's a chance I'm unwilling to take.

 

Schedule one is gonna like quadruple in size then. Yeah places will still send it here just like they still send currently scheduled shit here. I'm sure alot of people will take the risk. I don't think that we are quiet as fucked as it may seem.

 

No, psilocybin is 4HO-DMT phosphate ester.

 

In 2004, my wife and I had a strange experience with 4HO-MiPT.

During a trip, I went to the kitchen, to get sth to drink and to put a pizza into the oven. When I came back to the living room, I realized that I forgot the glass of juice. My wife immediately said, that I had left it standing on the microwave. Returning to the kitchen, I found it there. I was very much surprised, because my wife has been in the living room allt the time, when I was in the kitchen first. We tried some more things: I removed some items in the kitchen from their normal place. Except for one, my wife could always quite precisely say, where I had put them.
I fetched my PSI-cards. Normally, with 6 symbols the average rate of correct answers just by guessing should be at 16.7 % . But my wife scored almost 80% and I slightly less than 65%. This is scientifically significant!
Unfortunately, we were never able to reproduce this effect again.

Strange, isn´t it?

 

edited: Meh forgot.



Yeah that is weird man!

4-ho-dmt phosphate ester is psilocybin. but it likly breaks down into 4-ho-dmt indolol and they share the same exact pharmacology. So I don't think saying 4-ho-dmt is psilocybin is that far of a stretch.

 

Psilocin, actually.

 

4-ho-dmt is psilocin or psilocybin depending on the form as far as I can understand from Tihkal.

 

Psilocybin is the phosphate ester of psilocin. I've seen it written 4-po-dmt, not sure if that's actually correct. Basically this is the same relationship as (one example) 4-aco-mipt has to 4-ho-mipt, the ester (granted, different ester) to the corresponding indolol.

 

ok so their both a bit like mushrooms. knowledge is a great thing but this is pedantry!

 

No, it´s chemistry. If you´re doing a complex synthesis, it really matters if you use an indole, a hydroxide, a keton or an ester.

 

4 ho det is also available for psyconauts.
my imaginary friend dreamnt of 4 ho mipt, 4 aco dmt, and 4ho det.
the 4 aco dmt is a little more pricy than the 4 ho mipt.
As mentioned earlier i wonder if the chemical is basically the same just a way for vendors to charge more $$$.

anyways i have a lab rat at home that i plan on dosing to study the effects of 4 ho mipt.

i will have to report later this week on his results

 

They probably just change the label and send you whichever one they want.

 

so i tried some 4 ho mipt over the weekend. first dose was at 20 mg. honestly i was a little dissappointed. iexpected a powerful trip but instead i got a pretty mild trip. hmmm i am going to try out 4 aco det and see if it is any better.